Don't miss it. Meat: A Threat To Our Planet
Another BBC TV programme on why meat is bad for you and the planet,
presented by a tearful Liz Bonnin.
Doubtless brought to you in a typical BBC detached, impartial investigation.
Who cares ?
I like meat. Humans are meant to eat meat. End of.
It's gaining a little traction now (be careful near women of childbearing
age and Catholics) but reducing the *human* population by 50% is probably
the best thing for "the planet". Which if history is anything to go by is
quite safe for the next 3 billion years. Humankind less so.
On Thu, 21 Nov 2019 12:50:59 +0000, Chris Hogg wrote:
Yes, it's a quick way to end a "what should we do to save the planet"
debate for a lot of the yummy mummy brigade.
The problem is our current economic model is entirely predicated upon
never ending growth. Which means a ceaselessly expanding population.
Until reality kicks in.
Ultimately it's how all civilisations have fallen. They simply can't keep
growing. Either geographically or economically (via proxies like food and
fuel). At which point ... well history tells us.
No it does not. There can still be a growth in what
services are provided to a non expanding population,
most obviously with those who can afford very little.
We are in fact now in the situation where the total
of India and China isnt even self replacing anymore
and they are by far the two biggest countries.
Doesn’t have to with a gradual reduction in the rate of population growth.
That's radically overstated too.
That’s not what happened with Rome, Greece, India or China
or Spain or Portugal or the Netherland or even the British Empire.
China perhaps, but not India.
According to the Economist, the population of sub-saharan
Africa will double in the next 20 years, while the
population of Niger will double again.
Where are all these people going to go ?.
You obviously haven't noticed all the news items showing boatloads
of africans (mostly young men with a mobile phone and chip off both
shoulders), wearing orange 'life jackets' setting off from North
Africa, with their mobile phones preloaded with the Italian coastguards
That happens because their prospects in the EU
are much better than where they are coming from.
Not because there isnt enough space for them
where they are coming from.
When that was happening from china to HongKong
before HongKong was handed back from china, it
also wasn’t due to a lack of space where they were
coming from, because there was in fact less space for
them in HongKong than where they were coming from.
It would be if any of the above were correct.
Socioeties expand until resource limits are reacvhed, Then they do one
of three things. Find new resources, collapse or stabilise at the
Usually the big state ones collapses. Cf Joseph Tainter.
Hunter gatherer populations were relatively stable for millions of years
The New Left are the people they warned you about.
The BBC4 Storyville documentary about the China one-child policy
was very interesting. They should have broadcast that on BBC1 or 2
on a prime time slot.
Deafening silence about over population in Labours election manifesto,
just more of the same bribes to appeal to the very group who are
It's hardly a party political issue. It's an entirely ideological one. As
long as we use money, we need growth. No matter how many times you wind
the bobbin up, you will end up needing more people to fuel that growth.
Either as producers. Or as consumers.
Part of the current economic woes are caused by hitting that barrier. We
can't make - or access - new consumers anymore. So we either have to make
the ones we have more efficient, or reduce production.
But you won't find anyone getting votes for that.
Just FTAOD, this isn't a tree-huggy greeny POV. I'd love to have loads of
nukes powering the UK.
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