Microchip cat flap

Nope (I hope you weren't depending on that).

Wrong again ...

Till you take one and dump it in the woods somewhere ... then all of a sudden they are someone's property?

Cheers, T i m

Shame you didn't (for your sake). ;-(

See, there are guard / patrol dogs (for example) that who are actually owned by companies, allocated to employees and are simply 'tools of their trade'.

Similar with dogs used by the Army and other K9 services and where they are often destroyed when retired from service because of their 'search and attack' / 'protection' training. ;-(

But then you knew all that didn't you Adam ... ;-)

Cheers, T i m

I am, how am I doing that then? Did we actually have another referendum that no one told me about?

And 'will of 1/3rd of the people (able to vote)' you mean and they were just a few more than who expressly voted against it. That's your version of 'will of the people' is it?

Not when the MP's themselves have a duty of care to ensure we don't vote for something that might harm us?

Aww bless. Nice try but no cigar. ;-)

(Why is it you left brainers constantly confuse 'rules' with 'democracy' in action?)

Cheers, T i m

Only 1/3 expressed a preference of remaining.

Abuse, the typical sign of a lost argument.

That doesn't seem to be supported here (even if it is a bit out of date).

And they are fairly unique amongst companion animals re the (detrimental) impact they have on other / wild animals.

Cheers, T i m

I did, at around 18:40

Where your 2014 link looks more like 1997 ... and as pointed out by others, only reflects a very selective (and not typically representative) stretch of road.

And I have posted some links that indicate *way* more birds are killed by cats than cars.

But that's not really the point. If you wanted to make one from that the chances are that many cat owners also drive so are going to be killing more birds than the owners of most (if not all) other pets.

Cheers, T i m

Well it;s not currently the law as it is with dogs but it would be a good idea if it became law. I'd like the same to apply to kids too.

If they are adobted they aren't strays.

No, but it could be seen as theft, but there is alos those that atempt to remove such chips or put a new one in. Some animals do loose their chips as they can migrate through the body.

I did and most do if they officailly adopt a cat, but as cats can also adopt a new memebr of staff who isn't chipped and cats find it difficult report it when they wish to change staff.

The average person can't check for these chips you need a special scanner and these are only really avaible at vets and animal rescue centres. SO if you see a dead animal it;s best just to report it to a vet.

What happens if you find a dead body can yuo ID them ?, a frienbd of mine found one such body near the Thamses about 25 years ago.

How many times to the police find bodies they can't ID.

That would make sense, but I don't know how yuo could tell whether it was the animals fault of not. You'd then have to have some idea of what happened.

Reduced habitate and lower number of insects is what's 'killing' birds The reduction of nesting sites is the result of intensive farming and pesticides. Even then most birds killed by cats are those birds that are ill or fallen out their nests so wouldn't survive anyway. One of the biggestes killers of owls are cars that drive too fast down country roads creating 'wakes' which owls being very light in weight can;t escape from. if you look at the bird species in decline you'd have to be pretty stupid to claim it's due to the rise in the number of cats which hasn't risen that much in the last 20 years and if anyhting has been in decline.

Over the last five years the number of pets in the UK has declined. The pet population peaked in 2013 at 71 million, but as of 2018 is estimated to be around 51 million. ... The United Kingdom is a nation of pet lovers, with 45 percent of the population owning some sort of animal. ? Pet population in the UK 2009-2018 | Statista

No evidence for that though, just your mistaken belief

Cats are free agents. They roam at will unless locked in and there are no legal consequences for the 'owner'. They simply take up residence where food is provided but will quite happily take up residence elsewhere if the food is 'better'.

cats adopt people, not the other way round.

You do realise this is a 'discussion group' don't you Dicky, not Twatter or a peanut gallery?

Cheers, T i m

So true, sometimes they can adopt many people and will go to the bhome that most suites them at that time, especailly true if a family has kids that annoy the cat it will go off and find another home, until it suits them to return. My parents had 5 cats that visted them from time to time at one time they had 4 cats who'd come and go as they pleased.

There is plenty of evidence out there in the form of 'Laws'. Look them up and learn something for a change.

Some can be.

Nope. Some won't roam (outside their own property) even if they could.

You are an idiot.

Quite possibly but completely irrelevant to the duty of care and responsibility a cat owner has under *Law*.

This is particularly the case when a cat owner is aware that their car roams and can be aggressive (towards other animals or people) or is likely to cause damage to other peoples property.

Cheers, T i m

I bet you can't show us that evidence, probaly because it doesn't exist.

Liability For Cat Damage

This is a tricky area of the law with no universal answer. It can be said that cat owners have a duty of care to take reasonable steps to prevent their cat causing harm to others or damage to property but unlike dogs and livestock, cats have the ?right to roam? meaning that they do not have to be securely confined by their owners. If a cat is causing a nuisance through noise or fouling a neighbours garden, then steps should be taken to prevent this. Failure to do so may force the neighbour to contact the council who will assess the level of nuisance and have the power to issue anti social behaviour orders (ASBOs) which carry a criminal offense if not complied with.

All are in law presently.

true mine doesn't, but eh problem can be that a cat gets scared and once it leaves their know property they get lost.

But you're a bigger one.

complete rubbish.

Only in extreme cirumstancies that are so few and far between it;s virtually unknown.

When was the last time a dometci cat was put down because it was a danger to someone. How often have you heard of peole keeping cats to have cat fights like they do with dogs.

Oh, now it is the cat *owners* who do all the killing. Fair enough.

Still managing to keep the word count down. Good boy.

Keep it going. There was no way it was a council owned dog, for a start it was not wearing a hi viz vest..

If it was a council dog it would have done the two day course and been taught to wear a lead.

I have had 3 pigeons this year. And you know when one of them hits your windscreen at 90MPH.