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Is there a valid reason to buy these expensive paints especially for kitchens or are they an expensive extravagance?

Reply to
Steve Rainbird
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What effing paint you plonker?

Reply to
Weatherlawyer

If you can't be civil why bother?

But since you ask, and its a valid question I will tell you.

I was specifically looking at Dulux Kitchen and bathroom paint but its the principal more than specifics. The same question would apply to Crown Kitchen emulsion or any other make of special kitchen emulsion.

Reply to
Steve Rainbird

I don't think they're worth the extra - they are (AFAIK) supposed to have a vaguely anti-condensation effect, but if it's not a problem... I'd just use ordinary emulsion/gloss, if there's an issue it's better to fix it properly.

Reply to
Chris Bacon

Thanks Chris that's what I suspected the answer might be. We have a fairly large kitchen and condensation is rarely a problem.

Reply to
Steve Rainbird

I think he's just commenting that you didn't include "kitchen paint" in the body of the message. Messages shouldn't rely on the subject line to give them meaning, any more than you should post a followup without quoting or summarising relevant parts of the message to which you are replying.

Reply to
Rob Morley

I don't mind criticism its just rudeness I don't like.

Reply to
Steve Rainbird

But ... but ... this is Usenet, populated by people with minimal social skills, many of them extremely challenged in the personality department ;^>

Reply to
Rob Morley

I understood what he meant and I'm just a little woman.

Mary

As for the first offensive reply, I shan't bother opening any more from that source.

Mary

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Reply to
Mary Fisher

Obviously. And they are not given any credence from the more intelligent and polite among us.

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

Because he's an idiot. Sorry.

Kitchen paint isn't expensive, Dulux is expensive. They change the resins around and get something that's a bit more water / dirt resistant. Whether this is useful really depends on the kitchen layout

- if there's paint anywhere near the cooker rather than just tiles, then yes, they're worth having.

There's plenty of good cheaper paint around though and the big names in the big sheds are very overpriced. Try the shed's own brand, if there's a suitable one, or see if you can find a Crown decorator centre nearby - a great place for good paint at reasonable prices.

Reply to
Andy Dingley

I'd much rather a rude person to a thick one.

Fancy asking such a vague question and not being taken for an effing ijut. You didn't even specify water based paint. As it happens, I have seen that washable acrylics are on offer at nearly 1/3rd more a can. I nearly bought some recently.

You can't wash acrylics so easily as oil based paint. I wasa painting over some oil based painted cupboard doors. No doubt the stuff I put on will fail. It was a rush job though and quite effective for the day or so needed.

Had I time I would have used a PVA base coat. But I had neither time nor PVA.

I imagine that washable water based paints contain some additive that allows them to be used in leiu of oil based paints.

Emulsion paints, as distinguished from acrylic paints, are mere mixtures of oils and water. They are the Trade Paints used in newly built houses. They can "breathe"; which enables them to go on new plaster.

Acrylics are similar to emulsions but the oil in them is a vinyl polymer resin. So I believe at least. I dare say someone here has delved deeper into it than I. I tend to stop when my fingers get coated.

Oil based paints will require a base coat -which might be an emulsion but had best be a vinyl. You then need an undercoat and then the top coat. The undercoat is the cover and the top coat is the seal.

Before the undercoat can go on, the vinyl must be absolutely dry. It takes a few hours before the top coat can go on -at least 4 hours after the undercoat but a day would be better. Then the top coat which needs a day to dry.

You can get an excellent finish but it is a long job. If these washables are any good they will revolutionise the trade.

Oil based stuff goes much further than vinyl paint but vinyl paint, being a thicker coat can get the job done in half a day. You can apply the second coat as soon as the first is hand dry. (That is, when the first coat no longer rubs off but the wall is still damp.)

Yer pays yer muny an yer takes yer choices. If you hang on it will come down in price. Try and be just a little more specific in your enquiries in the future, dopey.

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As side note, adding something to ordinary acrylic paints will usually weaken it. PVA for example will allow you to remove it in strips when dry. I have no doubt there is some additive not dissimilar to PVA in this new stuff though.

What do they put in exterior paint? Which reminds me; I used some ordinary white acrylic to paint a reveal on a front door once. It lasted for years.

Reply to
Weatherlawyer

Another one for my killfile :)

Reply to
Steve Rainbird

Me too (understanding that is .. not being a little woman!) and I don't think most of us need that "extra" pointer to figure out what a message is about! Is it really too much to read the goddam subject before rushing into an idiotic and rude reply for the sake of it!? Not too much common sense floating around here lately ....

In answer to the guy's obvious question (unless the kitchen perhaps is underwater or located next to a blast furnace - both quite possibly likely outcomes in the minds' of certain people) ... no, there is usually no need for special paint in a kitchen. Normal emulsion will do just fine. However, if you don't have proper ventilation (ie. a good extractor fan) then grease buildup will be an issue where you cook, so these special paints may then be of benefit to you, as they are allegedly more resistant to moisture and more easy to clean (and perhaps mould resistant too?).

Also, if you don't have either tiles or a metal splash area around your cooker, ordinary emulsion ain't going to cut it too well. Mind you, neither is the plaster or wallpaper chances are, so tile it!! ;p

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Reply to
al

In talking to myself I shall at least be sure of having one sensible person to speak to.

Quite.

Reply to
Weatherlawyer

or kids with grubby hands maybe...

cheers, Pete.

Reply to
Pete C

I do have one of those! But that applies to the rest of the house as well.

In any case thanks (almost) all for there opinions.

Reply to
Steve Rainbird

Go on, it's fun watching it make a complete prat of itself.

MBQ

Reply to
manatbandq

Yes but my life's too short - and valuable. I'll stick with the posters I know to be sensible - even when I don't always agree with them :-)

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

And men with grubby hands.

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

He's just spent ages stripping, preparing, priming, under-coating and top coating the kithen doors (after 20 years they needed drastic action and they're unlikely to be done again in our lifetime) and he STILL doesn't use the door handles!

He will, I'm "Ahem" ing every timeI see it. He's getting the message. I've told him that you can get nice pieces of plastic to screw on doors, with pretty pictures on them or cute cartoon figures (not that one). I've threatened to get a man in to do it all again.

Something will work.

We used Ecos paint which hasn't had a long enough test yet and were given some very nice new tiles which are now behind the cooker. They covered two square metres so weshan't have to worry about cleaning mess there any more.

That is I shan't have to worry ... :-)

Mary

Reply to
Mary Fisher

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