Its capable of far more, clueless one. Why dont you explain to us your superior knowledge, and show us how you calculate what will happen with
7kW on a 1,5mm ring?'snip babble' is about all you can manage.
NT
Yes, I can just see you glowing brightly as you touch your bodged wiring.
I guess there is a practical minimum. Wiring it all in 2A fusewire would cause it to go o/c from normal corrosion after a while. Of course you'd need to use cfls, but it would work. Perhaps it should be enamelled?
No, Im not recommending it, imm.
NT
So you also advise people on a DIY forum to have a 1.5mm ring main too. I despair. Where do they come from?????
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You still haven't a clue. A 1.5mm ring mains doing the whole upstairs of house. OK by you and all the other loonies here. If the heating packed in when it is -5C outside and everyone in the 5 bedrooms had 3kW heater plugged in??? and one was plugged into the upper hall as well, and the teenage girl switches on her 2kW hair drier, and a few TVs and other electrical appliances are plugged in too. Don't you have any common sense?
What is disturbing is that you really think you are right. I hope no one taking blind bit of notice of you.
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On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:01:43 -0000, "Doctor Evil" strung together this:
And? If the circuit is designed to use 1.5mm cable, i.e. with the correct derating factors applied and the CPD sized up correctly, then there won't be a problem, the CPD will blow\trip. You could say exactly the same thing about a ring circuit wired in
2.5mm with a 32A CPD, if you plugged in 47 3kw heaters what would happen? Exactly the same thing I think you'll find.Pot, kettle. You are a complete fucktard.
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 17:54:40 -0000, "Doctor Evil" strung together this:
Who advised that anyone have a 1.5mm ring circuit? This thread just says that it is possible, but not recommended for various reasons.
Yes-indeedy. There's a lot more detailed engineering calculation *and* pragmatic understanding of typical usage patterns which has gone into the 'normal'/'standard'/'conventional' Final Circuits than is casually apparent. The whole thread has been an interesting diversion into 'under what *theoretical* circumstances could a NON-COMPLIANT use of PVC T&E smaller than 2.5mmsq nevertheless not be dangerous'. And indeed there are such circumstances where a section of 1.5mmsq would be non-dangerous: BUT those circumstances rely critically on where the cable runs. The famous 'clipped direct' Reference Method has to apply - any sniff of the several Factors reducing the cable's abality to lose heat and the 1.5mmsq is likely to rise above the 70-degrees-C used in the Tables (and which itself is quite a high running temperature, which careful design prefers not to reach on a regular basis).
Anyone *actually* installing segments of a 32A-protected ring using
1.5mmsq (or, gawd help us, 1.0mmsq) is in clear violation both of the general requirements of the Regs on cable sizing, and - as Andy W's made clear with the direct quote from 433-02-04 - the specific Regs on such rings.And, until You-Know-Who piped up, the thread served to illuminate the thinking behind the Conventional Final Circuits. Then the inevitable heat:light and signal:noise degradation crept in. Folks - a bit of self-discipline in responses to YKW would really help; an average of
0.1, and a strict maximum of 1, response per-thread per-person, would be a Real Win. Still, it's an unmoderated group (and should stay so!), so we'll just have to live with the predictable consequences of our actions...Stefek
This is about T&E.
A senario of having a 3kW heater in every room is very real, 47 is not.
Your ISP will get to know if you persist in insults. Your choice.
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Quite a few.
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Yes - but also a strict and absolute and particular requirement in the Regs that 30A/32A-protected rings must be wired in 2.5mmsq when using 'normal' PVC T&E...
Some sense here.
I assume you mean me, Speaking sense of course until loonies trolls entered asserting that 1.5mm is fine and OK on a ring.
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They won't believe you, it is not worth it; I tried and failed.
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I wish I had copies still of his first appearance as Adam when he couldn't differentiate between flow and volume. Does anyone still have them on their machines?
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:43:14 -0000, "Doctor Evil" strung together this:
And? Do you not apply derating factors to T&E? I think this statement alone proves you a completely clueless f****it.
And nether is a 1.5mm ring circuit.
It was a statement of fact.
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:53:19 -0000, "Doctor Evil" strung together this:
It is. Everyone seems to keep referring to a ring final circuit as being populated with 13A socket outlets, this doesn't have to be the case. A ring circuit could be used to provide power for a lighting circuit, or some other low-current usage applications.
What IS disturbing is the fact that you are arguing about something that you are obviously totally clueless about, I know kids with more understanding of electrics than you have.
IMM, keep digging, one day you'll reach the land of OZ !...
You really are a total moron.
No one has, it's been a debate about the theory behind the reg's, nothing more and nothing less.
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