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Don't they say "dib-dib-dib" too?
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Isn't that Boy Scouts?
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Absolute ballock's. ;-)
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On 20/12/16 12:55, Tim+ wrote:

Totally wisdom from this Tim+. A nugget of truth in the dirty dull swamp of ukdiy. Tim W
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I'd love either of you to explain this. How does adding an apostrophe where not appropriate help clarity? And example would suffice.
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:24:27 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

How many i's are there in "initial"?
How many is are there in "initial"?
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On 20/12/16 16:49, Bob Eager wrote:

Both wrong.
How many 'i's are there in 'initial'.

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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 16:59:40 +0200, The Natural Philosopher wrote:

I agree that that works. But it's not the only way.
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On 20/12/16 14:49, Bob Eager wrote:

People often refer to css (as well as CSS) re html You can have a css file or a css, or several css's where it would be confusing to have several csss, although not much of a problem with CSSs. The apostrophe I think would clarify the pronunciation, although I wouldn't use it myself - it just seems wrong.
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That is an appropriate use.

Without the apostrophe that sentence makes no sense. There is no such noun as 'is'.
You'll have to try harder. ;-)
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:37:54 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You asked for an example. You have proved that my example was appropriate.
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Not so. My request was for an example of where the use of an unnecessary one clarified rather than confused.
In your example, one sentence makes no sense at all.
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 00:26:56 +0000, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

You have it back to front. The use of an unnecessary apostrophe in the first sentence clarified what was meant. Its lack in the second sentence served to confuse.
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On 21/12/2016 00:38, Bob Eager wrote:

Or put another way, the apostrophe in the first sentence is unnecessary for normal grammar rules. "i's" is neither possessive nor an abbreviation, so one wouldn't normally use one there. Compare to "How many bears are there in Alaska?" - you wouldn't write "bear's". However putting one in helps clarity. Thus adding the apostrophe where not appropriate helps clarity.
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On Wed, 21 Dec 2016 02:13:35 +0000, Clive George wrote:

Exactly.
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On 21/12/16 06:39, Bob Eager wrote:

Except it doesn't help clarity. It introduces a possessive where none exists.

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I'd say even most kids would know the plural of bear is bears.
I'd love an example that really does clarify it's a plural. As the 'are' in the sentence does that anyway.
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On 21/12/2016 11:19, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:

Hmm? The answer is brown bear, polar bear, grizzle bear, etc.
to "How many bear are there in Alaska?" without the s.
(PS I know some of them aren't in Alaska.)
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That is *not* the answer to 'how many bears are there in Alaska' Which would be a number. That answers 'what types of bear in Alaska'
What would your answer be to 'how many people are there in Alaska?' Those races resident there?

That would make more sense if asking about types.
In other words an apostrophe does absolutely nothing to help clarity - quite the reverse.

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