FTTP installation

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ADSL2+ will do the 500 kbps required for voice only provision over 3 or 4 miles of copper. Though I think ADSL goes out the window along with the the PSTN. But the technology is there to provide such a link over a simple copper pair.

It's also complicated by the Universal Service Obligation that is now in place for broadband. You have a right to at least a 10 Mbps service and Openreach or Kcom have to provide it. There are a few gotchas like a cap on the construction costs.

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But you need one fibre (at least, spares?) from where ever the optical split is to each served premises. The optical split may only have one, or more likely two fibres, feeding it from the OLT.

The 50 pair armoured direct buried cable feeding POTS to us also feeds other places along it's route from beyond us and back to the exchange. These places are well spaced apart, 1/4 mile or more.

You can get mutltiple tube ducting systems designed to distribute from the split to premises. But again that would need to trenched or ploughed in and chambers constructed to hold the duct splits to replace the joint posts/bullets.

They have here...

The multiple 200 pair cables running down the village are ducted. And they shoved a fibre duct through that ducting to get the fibre down to the village's FTTC. That's the one that runs under our forecourt.

Who is how far away? And I assume from your other comment that the underground parts are ducted as well.

Isn't that 500 kbps expressly what they will provide on a fibre connection when provisioning only for a basic connection? Not ADSL of any sort. A single voice connection wouldn't need that much bandwidth.

yes neighbour is abut 200 meters down the road, a manor house and a lodge. each have their own pole

That's how they did ours - just strung it along the existing poles along with the copper.

Just had a look at Openreach?s map of FTTP areas and according to t hat we are a couple of hundred metres outside a purple splodge showing FTTP in progress and in the 1/2 mile gap inbetween to a yellow splodge showing FTTP work to start in the next three months. Sods Law! I will bet it is 20

Richard

Are you currently on ADSL or VDSL?

We are FTTC, and were amongst the last in the locality to go to that.

Richard

Wouldn't hold your breath for FTTP then (even 2025 sounds optimistic) and protect your wallet if you investigate FTTPoD.

We were in the "next group to be done" bit for 18 months or so, but then it happened fairly quickly after that.

Whereas we were in the "wait for news ..." for the best part of two years. Then "if you haven't heard anything, it's not happening".

Took some emails to political people to trigger a change of view in Openrea ch.

Once decided, they were excellent. They came and installed the whole lot (m ore than 100 houses) with a team of people from across the whole UK. Very f ast, friendly, considerate to everyone.

For 1 channel of ISDN (which also goes out the window with the PSTN). You had to have two channels with ISDN so 128 kbps plus 16 kbps for signalling = 144 kbps.

As I say the technology exists for a pure data connection suitable for "new POTS" to be provided over copper without any expensive repeaters. Just change the rear plate of a current analogue NTE.

I can't see them managing to complete the "full fibre" network by

technically, yes. Commercially, no. You could buy a single channel.

For more than two channels they tended to install a fibre that would do

At one time this was a free installation, so many of our customers did that, then cancelled their ISDN and ordered a leased line based on pre-existant fibre...saving themselves several thousand installation.

God what we have now,we would have killed for back then.

Openreach map? Is that the Fibre First one or another?

FTTPoD seems to have died, not surprising considering the prospective install price, pricing structure and lack of ISPs offering service over it it, with I think was limited to 300 Mbps. Over taken by the "gigabit capable" system?

The DCMS Gigabit Voucher scheme (up to £1,500 per home, £3,500 per SME) with broadband speeds less than 100 Mbps are elegible. Possibly with a top-up from a regional development agaency, we have the "Borderlands Inclusive Growth Deal" that doubles those amounts. However the conditions for the Borderlands top-up would exclude most people with access to FTTC as the "less than speed" is 30 Mbps.

Failing that there is Openreach's Community Fibre Partnership.

Is that still the target timescale?

Why the hang-up with gigabit speeds?

I have ~75 Mbps from a BT cabinet that I can *just* see if I lean out of the window. Alternatively I could have up to 500 Mbps from virgin FTTP where they have what is apparently called a "toby" in the footpath at the end of my drive, same as this ...

This one Fibre First Cities, towards the bottom of the page.

Richard

Just being silly now, but if Openreach claim the cost exceeds £3,400 can I offer to install it myself then put the job out to competitive tender?

I have 26 Mbps from BT FTTC and have never used more than 10Giga in a month. What on earth DO people do with such massive speeds ?.