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Not only that but the morons who prefer "dish" to "aerial" seem to think that the only important part of an antenna is the reflector.

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Steve Firth
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Listed building.

Reply to
Steve Firth

The usage is universal so it isn't slang. Don't forget that most of us installers are cerebrally and verbally challenged, so we aren't going to attempt a tongue-twister like parabolic reflector when we can say dish. Incidentally the term 'dish' has come to (universally) mean the LNB, the arm, the reflector, and the mount. When we want to refer to that curved thing we say 'reflector'.

Bill

Reply to
Bill Wright

If you send a picture of the pipe, wall, etc, and confirm or deny that it's a dish and not an aerial you want to fix I will be able to offer much sensible advice.

Bill

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Bill Wright

Why should today be different from all the others?

Reply to
Steve Firth

Newsgroups are a strange social environment. It's possible to establish an identity yet remain anonymous. I often think it's a bit like driving, when you often see dreadful behaviour that would surely never take place if people were face to face. But so it is, that personae are established over a period of time by individuals. Some are probably quite close to the person's real personality. But perhaps there are people who are for one reason or another frustrated in their lives. Just as we see bad driving in the evening rush hour, when a few people have had a mauling at work and haven't been able to answer back, I guess we see rudeness on the newsgroups due to those with inadequate personalities trying to get back at the world.

Bill

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Bill Wright

In the early days of radio, the adjective 'aerial' would indeed be short for 'aerial wire'.

While the Americans also sometimes used the word 'aerial' (see old adverts, and there is a short movie with Laurel and Hardy trying to erect 'an aerial'), they also used 'antenna' - and this has stuck with them.

However, it's probably only because the Americans tended to be a little ahead of Britain in the technology of the higher frequencies that we saw 'antenna' associating more with ridged structures.

Nevertheless, until fairly recently, in the British broadcasting and telecommunications industry, 'aerial' has always been the preferred word

- but it seems that we have now started to adopt 'antenna' - if for nothing else than to prevent confusion among the Americans.

Which is, of course, simply not so.

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Ian Jackson

Perhaps a corruption from the transmitter being the rigid construction and the crystal set having a random wire? Mind you, it ties in with a lot of general verbal usage; a rigid telescopic job on an FM trannie is an aerial to Joe Public and a slightly flexible spiral doofa on a 2m Yaesu is generally an antenna to RAs.

(By the by, I'm not trying to assert anything here, just a passing interests in linguistic shift and how people use/misuse language.)

Reply to
Scott M

Well it is a fairly critical part. B-)

Reply to
Dave Liquorice

So why not provide that rather important bit of infor earlier. B-)

Presumably "only" Grade 2, though I'm sort of surprised they will allow a dish on that. A dish only has to see the right bit of sky it can be at ground level on ground post or bolted to a slab.

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Dave Liquorice

Bill Wright wrote in news:l03uvj$umj$1 @speranza.aioe.org:

Perhaps some users are unaware that Bill takes a lot of trouble on various groups and sites to give people a very good understanding of aerial issues. He is highly respected by many. Of course there will always be some absolute amateurs who will have some crazy ideas...............!

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DerbyBorn

I wouldn't think so. While the supporting masts/towers/poles may be rigid, there are an awful lot of transmitting aerials which are wire.

UK radio amateurs still frequently use 'aerial'. While I don't shun 'antenna', I generally reserve it for when I really need to use it.

The de facto American 'antenna' is now in international circulation (like 'program').

Reply to
Ian Jackson

Apparently Marconi used antenna, but in British English aerial became common.

The IEEE Transactions on Antennas and Propagation use the terms antenna and aerial interchangeably. The term is applied to the entire assembly including support structure, reflector and any focussing elements. Hence a structure seven metres in diameter, massing several tonnes is an antenna or aerial as is the humble Sky antenna or aerial.

I'm not interested in how some inadequate with social problems wants to accrue cheap points by trying to pretend that an aerial is a dish. That's simply ignorance on their part.

See

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"A satellite dish is a dish-shaped type of parabolic antenna ..."

I'm mildly amused, given my professional background, by some spanner jockey trying to tell me that their colloquial shorthand trumps professional experience.

When I've installed my aerial will I need to plug it into a plug socket?

Reply to
Steve Firth

Thank you for that explanation of your social problem. I'm sorry to hear of your inadequacies, perhaps regular sessions with a therapist could help you overcome them?

Reply to
Steve Firth

Antenna is just an Americanism like "Hood" and "Bonnet" on a car....

Reply to
tony sayer

A very astute observation by Yorkshires wisest sage;)...

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tony sayer

I know of Two listed buildings with dishes thereon and a third had a 1.2 metre one but as it wasn't needed anymore they took it off...

Reply to
tony sayer

Sorry, but I can't see the word aerial in that link. Antenna has >>>

Would you care to cite the source? We might all learn something.

Nope. You're pretty much alone in this descriptive use of aerial for a

7 ton structure. That is of course your prerogative.

Yes when your arguments tend towards the ridiculous and start calling people childish names who know better that you under the guise of linguistic ability or social acceptance, the plot is lost.

Reply to
Fredxx

Perhaps some people didn't ask for his opinion? If I want a quote from an aerial installer I'll get one in. If I want someone to erroneously tell me that a "satellite dish" is not an aerial I'll ask some drunk know-it-all in a pub. If I want to send photos of my home to random strangers, I'll check into a clinic for treatment because something must have gone wrong with my brain.

Reply to
Steve Firth

It's also in a National Park. The LBO has said if it can be concealed from view then it's OK but they prefer not to have it bolted to a wall. A collar around the downspout is a non-permanent fix. The valley points straight at the Astra 28.2E group so it's easy to set up and if the aerial is mounted low down it won't be visible from the front or rear elevation.

I just have to ensure that it's high enough not to get flooded or buried in snow because the valley is a drain.

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Steve Firth

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