What are the implications of not having a certificate? Out house was bult
with wooden double glazed windows (No certificate then) Over the last
couple of years I have had 5 windows replaced with UPVC framed double
glazing with thermal glass. However, it was several cash in hand jobs and
no certificates were offered or sought.
In the unlikely event of selling the house, what might this mean? Could I
say that I have reduced to price to allow the new buyer to have FENSA
certified frames fitted? Could I get some document from the (reputable)
frame makers? What are the issues?
No, they can't certify the fitting, only give a declaration that the
frames/glazing meet the standards, so not the same thing.
Someone might ask to see them, and you'll have to say you have no
certificates because some windows didn't need one, and others haven't
Anyone who can look at the windows, see they aren't falling out, do have
the kite-mark to show they're toughened if appropriate would be a fool
to walk away from buying a house due to a worthless bit of paper.
You *could* get a retrospective building regulations inspection done,
they may want to see evidence that cavity-closers, lintels etc were
installed where needed, or you could get "lack of building regulations
indemnity" policy for a few quid.
I'm exactly in this situation, buying a house where "the builder"
doesn't believe in certification!
New glass door and no markings at all!
Which carries the risk of not being passed
And so many exclusion clauses that in practice it become worthless eg
the one I saw precludes any work being carried out on the premises
that will cause the invitation of a building inspector - so no new
My solicitor of a relatively small local firm points out that in the
past 5 or so years they've placed around ?300k in indemnity insurance
of one sort or another and neither the firm nor any of the colleagues
in any other firm have ever encountered a claim.
Still - my vendor has offered to pay for such indemnity and as it goes
with the property it saves me a bit of a headache further down the
line but otherwise I am advised to consider it meaningless.
Who cares anyway, there is an <ahem> window of opportunity for
enforcement of building regs, and once past, there is nothing they can
do unless imminent damage to life or someone else's property are likely.
I am sure its a nice little earner for both the insurers and the
solicitors in the form of commissions.
On Friday, 2 October 2015 12:46:01 UTC+1, AnthonyL wrote:
That's because there never has been a claim made - no local authority has *
ever* served an injunction (the action required after 12 months and hence w
hy insurance cover requires the work to be this old). The legislation sits
Wait until it becomes an issue - if it does - when you come to sell the
house. Then say that you've lost the certificate and that the company
which did the work is no longer in business. Unless there are any
obvious problems with the windows, the lack of certificate is unlikely
to affect the sale. If it *does* there are - as others have said -
various indemnity insurance policies which you can buy for not very much.
The oldest certificate I can find down my road is 2002.
For a given postcode you only need to search for house numbers 0 to 9,
to match them all (unless you have house names of course, in which case
I presume 26 searches from A to Z would do it).
On Thu, 1 Oct 2015 21:06:55 +0100, Tim Lamb wrote:
Stupid site can't cope with a postecode entered as "ab12cd", it
certainly insists on the space, may even be fussy about case.
I can't see how they justify the £12 charge for a copy either, apart
from lining their pockets.
On Fri, 02 Oct 2015 00:39:10 +0100, Dave Liquorice wrote:
I wonder if there's also a noddy (incorrect) postocode parser in there
too. What does it say for E1W 3AJ (for example). Yes, it's a real
postcode. Yes, I've worked on dodgy code that refused to allow it.
Yes, April 2002. (I got mine done in Feb 2002, to avoid it all.)
There may have been a 3 month grace period for orders already placed,
but it has never been taken very seriously - lack of certificates
doesn't seem to mean anything. Solicitors always ask, but 'no' as an
answer seemed perfectly OK for several friends who have been in this
[email address is not usable -- followup in the newsgroup]
It says the same for my house. I had some new windows fitted in 2002 and
in 2009 - but they were both part of larger buildings projects which got
Building Regs sign-off - not just window replacements. Should I have had
FENSA certificates anyway, or is the BR sign-off sufficient?
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