EV Charging

I'm wondering how the government is going to make up for the loss of revenue from fuel duty.

The problem with taxing electricity is that it is used for many other things.

It's a bit of a sweet spot in time for people who can take advantage of EVs. When and if the problems of range, charging times, and charging availability are overcome, and EVs become more common, things will change.

For myself, I find the reduction in noise and air pollution huge advantages. And I gather EVs are a lot more reliable, and easier to maintain. But these things rarely get mentioned.

Pre 2001, £360 per year

Between 2001 and 2017, £760 per year

Since 2017, for the first year £5490 for the next five years £620

Slightly more for payment in instalments.

New home chargers are required to be "smart" capable, don't think they're yet required to actually report usage ...

How would an EV fare on a winters day with a 3 hour tailback on a motorway ?

Nah. I hope he does...

Fairly sure mine is more than that.

It's the same as putting low VAT, zero fuel duty heating oil in your diesel car.

Except its legal.

I think with the mandatory "smart" chargers, I can foresee electricity for car charging getting higher VAT?

Add 2025 Renault Five 252 miles 3922 mm

nib

Well to actually stay warm probably takes about 300W, so about 1kWh of leccy.

There is probably a 'stay alive ' drain on the batteries as well

It is in fact an interesting point as to how much they might tailor a smart meter to what you are drawing and when you draw it.

Or perhaps with enough nukes it might really be too cheap to be worth metering.

Give up and simply make unlimited electricity as basic a right as unlimited broadband,.

Or the road system itself.

Or tax *all* roads via ANPR regardless of what the vehicle driving in them is. Everyone has a 'driving' account which gets debited every time they catch you using your car...

Also the Peugeot e-208 and Mini 3 door - both < 4m. I'm looking too . . .

I'd just fit a dedicated spur, easy enough and fine for my use.

Whether that's within the requirements for the cheap 7p overnight tariffs I know not . . .

Most of the off peak tariffs aren’t dependant on your charger. You can get on them even with a three pin plug. A few exceptions only work with certain chargers.

Tim

VW e-Up (or clone) second hand? 3.6m long. Dunno about range.

Tim

On one of the vehicles that had *resistive* heating, it would not fare well. But we know about that, and don't buy tripe. If searching the used market, you're looking for the "BEV common design features", like having a cooling loop through the battery slab, and a heat pump that keeps the various parts of the car happy.

The cooling/heating system with heat pump, recycles more of what is going on in the car, so your heating doesn't have quite as much impact. The electric motors have cooling connections.

If you buy a vehicle shaped like a brick, the range is small to begin with, and there is less variation due to winter heating needs. It's just a wasteful brick.

"In the summer I charge my Hummer EV SUV to 80% which gives me a range of 270 miles. In winter it drops to 250." <=== and huge battery too!!!

If you buy a sleek vehicle, the summer range can be tremendous, and mentally, no matter what time of the year, you would plan with one of those using the "winter number", as it's a more accurate representation of a worst case behavior.

The EQS, the winter range is 66% of the summer value. Unlike that Hummer example of a brick on wheels.

If the wind is blowing the wrong way, your EQS summer trip might have a winter range. Still workable, because the range on the sleek ones is that much better. Most of your energy cost, is wind resistance (at highway speed). Which is why some of the enthusiast sites, benchmark range in car reviews, at 75MPH, to make the benchmark realistic. (They drive at the speed people normally drive on a highway.)

Even on my petrol car, I had metrics for summer and winter range per tankful. Which is necessary for trip planning and avoiding filling up in the "expensive section of motorway" :-) There is a section of road, known for gouging on petrol price. We like to steer around that, and starve the bastards.

Paul

There are all sorts of proxy ways of doing that.

The car keeps nice records. It's a record-keeping genius.

Paul

The smart chargers will be centrally controlled when you're allowed to charge. I think the end-user can override that.