Dr Crappers first product?

[T i m]

Hi again,

So, I'm round and Mum and Dad's looking over the garage wiring and Mum mentions the upstairs loo hasn't flushed for a while (turns out to be a few months! They flush it with a bucket filled from the bath but mainly use the downstairs loo).

Anyway, I take a look and it an old ceramic close coupled cistern using a rubber disk / seal supported by a perforated ceramic disk to lift the water up and over to start the syphon.

This whole mech fixes down to the outlet tube to the pan with 3 bolts. I removed these, gathered all the nuts, bolts, washers, rubber disks etc and re-assembled the lot again (with an extra SS pin to hold the bottom nut to it's partially stripped thread)

So, they now have a working loo again ;-)

First Q. they are talking about a whole new bath / loo / shower (another large enameled steel bath for eBay ) so the loo will be replaced with something more modern then, but out of interest, can you get a new flush system to fit onto this 3 studded internal fitting (type thing..) ?

Second Q. Mum asked if she "had to have the toilet up on that base?" It seems that the toilet has been raised up about 1 1/2", possibly to get it to align with the cast iron soil pipe?

I assume someone (possibly me?) would be very lucky to get the soil pipe on the new loo to meet up with the old plumbing? Would that mean cutting back the cast iron? What if the loo is *lower* (say, by 2") than the pipe that goes out through the wall, turns through 90 deg and joins the main stack / vent at 45 deg?

Did someone say here that this sort of refit would would attract the attention of building regs dept?

All the best and have a good weekend .. ;-)

T i m

[John Stumbles]

Do you have a pic of this? It doesn't sound like your usual plastic syphon valve such as

Dunno, but you should be able to replace the whole flush mechanism with something else e.g. as above or a push button type like the multiquick

Always a challenge :-)

Doesn't sound as if an offset connector e.g.

is going to help. What's the angle on the iron soil pipe inside the bathroom -- if you were to cut it right back to the wall would it be at a better height? A straight version of this (Wickes do them, and some proper plumbers' merchants should) might then do the trick, failing that a flexible like perhaps?

As a last resort you could always replace the entire soil stack :-)

Not unless I've missed something

[T i m]

[T] Fraid not for two reasons ..

1) My Fuji camera died recently and has not been replaced as yet (see other thread)

2) I'm not sure about being seen going into a toilet with a camera ... ? ;-)

It doesn't sound like your usual plastic syphon

all ceramic and the lifter tube part is 6" diameter (and nearly fills the cistern from front to back).

[T] The std plastic syphon goes through the bottom of the cistern whereas on this one there us a 2" long x 2" daimeter tube standing up from the bottom of the cistern with a rubber 'O' ring and three boilt flanges round the outside. The whole syphon mech then stands on top of this and is bolted through with the 3 ss bolts (probably brass once). I think it's a Twyfords (sp?) make?

[T] I bet .. ;-(

[T] It might .. does it matter which way up it's 'offset' ?

[T] AFAICS, it goes dead straight from the back of the pan, square through the wall , turns through 90 deg on the outside and goes down (and right) at 45 deg where it joins the stack about 2 ft away ..?

A straight

[T] Thanks for those .. it's *possible' it will all be easy (yeah right) but if mum wants the pan directly on the floor (rather than jacked up 40mm as it is now) it might mean the waste has to go 'up hill' maybe 50mm as it leaves the pan? It may well be a new pan outlet would be in the right place anyway (tape measure in Homebase next time ..) ;-)

[T] Yeah thanks John .. and the leanto roof it goes through while I'm there no doubt!>

[T] Just thought I read that *any* drainage mods (or was it just below ground) need mentioning ..?

All the best ..

T i m