If there is to be action to prevent climate change it will require governments to act. We need the government to build infrastructure to allow us to reduce carbon outputs. Have you not figured that out yet? Are you one of these mad socialist greens who want to make everybody poor on the back of climate change? TW
The Vostok ice-core data shows 100,000-years cycles in which the planet is glaciated for 80,000 years, and warm for 20,000. We're currently half way through a warm period.
Can you mention, or have you heard of, a mechanism by which governments. money, curbing CO2, or COP can control this CO2-unrelated, non-human-activity-related cyclic behaviour?
We are half way through an interglacial (i.e. warm) period. So far, Vostok shows us that the previous three interglacials were 3degC warmer than this one and also that CO2 changes *lag* temperature changes by several thousand years. There's plenty of global warming to come, according to Vostok, and it's nothing to do with gas boilers, ICE cars, or farting cows.
So you're saying that the Vostok data is wrong?
That's a brave position to take.
No need to, Vostok scuppers the current 'global warming' narrative quite nicely.
Doesn't it just.
I don't waste my time with idiots any more TW
I try to educate idiots - it's a tough job but someone has to do it.
Can't be done.
Just been listening to an Insulate Britain chap on GB News. I have never heard such a selfish arrogant prick in all my life. Says he is a retired doctor. So he has been feeding on public money all his working life.
If he is that bothered by climate change, why not agitate for 100% nuclear power? far better and more cost effective solution.
God help us if people like him were in charge.
Oh. Carrie is.
Still casting your pearls before swine by the looks of things, Spike. I'm afraid some folk just cannot face the truth and get really confused and angry when confronted with it. I admire your fortitude in the face of it all,, sir! --
"By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy about it."
- Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum CEO.
The alternative is to suffer unanswered the claptrap of the Paul-from-Dawlish types...
On another forum a chap was bemoaning the 1.8m tons of concrete used to build Hinckley C, until I did a swift calculation that the UK's current fleet of windmills may well have used 50% more - and that they want to build a subsidy farm in the North Sea the size of Yorkshire!
What we need is people that Can Do Sums, as unfashionable as that might currently be.
I watched the first few minutes of The Trick on iPlayer - it was quite obvious that the copious use of 'denier' and 'sceptic' showed the film's pro-CC bias. There a series on R4 just started, called The Hack That Changed The World, I expect it to be as bad as The Trick.
Terrible shame what happened to R4. It used to be a trove of worthwhile programs in the distant past, but it's just become another platform for Cultural Marxists to spout on about the virtues of Globalism, the menaces of AGW, Slavery, Racism, 'the Patriarchy'/Wimminz issues and how amazing and emancipating it is to have AIDS. --
"By 2030, you will own nothing and be happy about it."
- Klaus Schwab, World Economic Forum CEO.
But what do you have in mind? It's not governments, or giant corporations who are responsible for carbon dioxide, it is people going about their everyday lives.
Outlaw IC engines (or tax them out of existence) and you destroy the economy. You can't currently replace planes, shipping, or trucks with electric. We don't have the generating capacity to ditch gas and oil for winter heating. This is true everywhere in the world. And only a few countries dominate the emissions. Whatever options are suggested, the cure is pretty much worse than the disease apart perhaps for large scale nuclear. And I don't see much sign yet that people will accept it, except perhaps in China and India.
Everywhere except W Europe and USA is building out new nuclear
What action do you have in mind. And what infrastructure do you have in mind?
Japan, Africa, South America, Oceania etc isn't.
Tim Streater snipped-for-privacy@greenbee.net wrote
Nukes.
When Aneurin Bevan was asked how he intended to get doctors onside in order to run his National Health Service, he replied "I'll stuff their mouths with gold". Looks like it works for scientists too: "Here's an open-ended grant for your centre to prove that CO2 causes global warming". "Thanks, we're on it right away". Believers are cheap, they come free.
Japan is restarting. Africa is, South America?
"Today, there are seven reactors in Latin America ? three in Argentina, two in Brazil and two in Mexico.
All three countries also have ambition to build new power reactors. Here, we take a closer look at each plant."
About 30 countries are considering, planning or starting nuclear power programmes, and a further 20 or so countries have at some point expressed an interest. In the following list, links are provided for those countries that are covered by specific country pages:
In Europe: Albania, Serbia, Croatia, Portugal, Norway, Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Ireland, Turkey. In the Middle East and North Africa: Gulf states including Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait and Iraq; Yemen, Israel, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, Libya, Algeria, Morocco, Sudan. In west, central and southern Africa: Nigeria, Ghana, Senegal, Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania, Zambia, Namibia, Rwanda, Ethiopia. In Central and South America: Cuba, Chile, Ecuador, Venezuela, Bolivia, Peru, Paraguay. In central and southern Asia: Azerbaijan, Georgia, Kazakhstan, Mongolia, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Uzbekistan. In SE Asia and Oceania: Indonesia, Philippines, Vietnam, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Malaysia, Singapore, Myanmar, Australia. In east Asia: North Korea."
None. Mother Nature will sort it out eventually. Numbers of animals (including humans) killed off in the process not a concern to her. Nor to most reading this group. But will be to our successors. Including that nice new grandchild.
IMHO far too little allowance is made for the amazing ingenuity of humans. And while we tend to think first of "high" technology, just look at the Inuit, Tuareg, and Polynesians.
And, without technology, their shorter lives and higher child mortality. With Mother Nature restricting their numbers to those their land could support.
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