Concrete quotation from Tarmac - for general interest (if any)

[David WE Roberts]

I have annotated the quote with "** **" where I read something interesting or unusual. My thanks to Tarmac for the quote but it is quite a lot higher than the others I have had for pre-mided and mix on site. A comprehensive list of levys etc. Hope the spacing works for the initial description.

Designation Description mcc w/c Chloride Cement Type Admixture Aggregate Consist Quantity M3 Rate C16/20 0 0.00 0.4 CIIIA+SR WRA

20MM S3 3.5 115.50 ****This £115 stood out - the total further down did not *** _____________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Additional Comments: Tarmac are helping you to reduce your Carbon Footprint with our new range of Low Carbon Concrete Mixes (LCC's). For further details, please contact your Account Manager or Local Sales Office, or visit our website

*3.5m3 C16/20 = £475 INC VAT & PART LOAD*

** This seems to be just the M3 rate * 3.5 + VAT - no part load charge. **

Should you require any further information regarding this quotation please contact: Anglia Orders: Ipswich 01206 332289

1. Mixes quoted as per your verbal instructions, no specification received for this site.
2. Concrete is supplied to BSI Quality Scheme - BS EN ISO 9001
3. All mixes quoted using local materials, which may contain traces of lignite.

** Lignite? Fossil coal? Didn't realise that this was a constituent of the local aggregate. **

1. All cement is of class 42,5 or above, unless otherwise stated.
2. Concretes are described & quoted on the basis of conformity with BS EN

206-1/BS 8500 unless otherwise stated.

1. All rates quoted are subject to availability of materials.
2. This quotation will remain valid for 1 calendar month from date of quotation.
3. Our normal working hours are Monday to Friday 07.30 - 17.30 and Saturday

07.30 - 12.00, additional charges will be incurred outside these hours, please contact your representative.

1. The above rates are inclusive of Landfill Tax Surcharge of 30p per m3, and are quoted on a fluctuating basis.

**** Why?? ****

1. This quotation includes the effect of AGGREGATE LEVY at the rate of £2.00 per tonne, where appropriate. We reserve the right to increase these charges should the Government impose a greater levy. This quotation will be subject to any statutory environmental tax

*** Again, why?? **

Mr. DAVID ROBERTS CASH CASH CASH To Customers have been asking us for more information so we have built a solution to help. Visit

to find out how we can help you manage your business via email reporting FAO: DAVID ROBERTS All prices are exclusive of VAT For and on behalf of Tarmac Limited Customer Services Department Printed On 27.01.2010 QUOTATION: Concrete HEALTH & SAFETY There is a real danger of contact dermatitis or serious burns if skin comes into contact with wet cement mixes such as fresh concrete, mortar or screed. Wear suitable protective clothing and eye protection. Where skin contact occurs either directly or through saturated clothing wash immediately with soap and water. For eye contact, immediately wash out the eyes thoroughly with clean water. If swallowed wash out mouth and drink plenty of water. Quotation Number: 1004444953 Cust. Account: 99600 Dated: 27.01.2010 Your Reference: CSRA1303 TARMAC Limited Registered in England and Wales No. 453791 Registered Office: Millfields Road, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton, West Midlands,WV4 6JP Tarmac and the T symbol are registered trademarks Your contact for this quotation is Mr Craig Jay

Site: All contracts for the sale of goods (which may be with or without services) between Tarmac Limited ("Tarmac") and its customers incorporate exclusively Tarmac's Standard Terms and Conditions of Sale applicable to the relevant goods (and, if applicable, services) posted on Tarmac's website at the date when the contract is concluded. Contracts are concluded at the point of order acknowledgement, the commencement of manufacture for made to order goods or the point of despatch for goods from stock, whichever is the earlier. To view Tarmac's Standard Terms and Conditions of Sale go to

NET MONTHLY ACCOUNT Tarmac Limited Concrete Sales Office Warren Lane Stanway Colchester, Essex CO3 0NN Tel [phone] Fax [phone] Designation Description mcc w/c Chloride Cement Type Admixture Aggregate Consist Quantity M3 Rate Additional Comments: imposed by the government.

1. Waiting time charges after five minutes per m3 at £75 per hour. Time commences when the truck arrives on site.

*** So 17.5 minutes to unload it all **

1. The time allowed for acceptance of a load is 15 minutes from arrival on site. Loads after this interval will be charged in full.
2. First part load after two full loads of the same mix on the same day free of surcharge. Subsequent part loads charged at £38 per m3 not carried.

*** Assume this is in the quotation **

1. Split loads will be charged @ £25.00.
2. Concrete returned from your site to our plant may be subject to a disposal fee of £190 per m3.

*** So don't over order!! ***

1. Tarmac reserve the right to move a vehicle from the site once 2 hours have elapsed from the time of batching. Any costs incurred will be recharged.
2. Please note that all calls to our sales and order offices are recorded. Mr. DAVID ROBERTS CASH CASH CASH To FAO: DAVID ROBERTS All prices are exclusive of VAT For and on behalf of Tarmac Limited Customer Services Department Printed On 27.01.2010 QUOTATION: Concrete HEALTH & SAFETY There is a real danger of contact dermatitis or serious burns if skin comes into contact with wet cement mixes such as fresh concrete, mortar or screed. Wear suitable protective clothing and eye protection. Where skin contact occurs either directly or through saturated clothing wash immediately with soap and water. For eye contact, immediately wash out the eyes thoroughly with clean water. If swallowed wash out mouth and drink plenty of water. Quotation Number: 1004444953 Cust. Account: 99600 Dated: 27.01.2010 Your Reference: CSRA1303 TARMAC Limited Registered in England and Wales No. 453791 Registered Office: Millfields Road, Ettingshall, Wolverhampton, West Midlands,WV4 6JP Tarmac and the T symbol are registered trademarks Your contact for this quotation is Mr Craig Jay

Site: All contracts for the sale of goods (which may be with or without services) between Tarmac Limited ("Tarmac") and its customers incorporate exclusively Tarmac's Standard Terms and Conditions of Sale applicable to the relevant goods (and, if applicable, services) posted on Tarmac's website at the date when the contract is concluded. Contracts are concluded at the point of order acknowledgement, the commencement of manufacture for made to order goods or the point of despatch for goods from stock, whichever is the earlier. To view Tarmac's Standard Terms and Conditions of Sale go to

NET MONTHLY ACCOUNT Tarmac Limited Concrete Sales Office Warren Lane Stanway Colchester, Essex CO3 0NN Tel [phone] Fax [phone]

[Phil L]

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companies like this, and RMC aren't really aimed at the domestic market, IE householders and small buisnesses, they generally deal with large housebuilders, huge construction outfits and such likes - they are at the opposite end of the scale to the mix-on-site outfits, but there are dozens of readimix firms who local builders deal with all the time who don't have ridiculous charges attatched to their T&C's - Tarmac, RMC et al will pour 6 cubes directly into a waiting hole and will be off site within 10 minutes - they don't want to be hanging around for 40 mins per load, which is why they have the charges - to put off people ordering a few cubes for a shed, greenhouse etc. The smaller outfits rely on the lower end of the market and cannot afford to be so picky. My advice would be to ring 3 or 4 readimix firms for prices both with and without barrowing service and pick the one you feel most comfortable with

[David WE Roberts]

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Thanks - I have two local candidates at the moment. Mix at the site and a mini-mix firm.

The mini-mix is slightly cheaper but I have to talk to them again about barrrowing, how long they can stay on site, and how they cope with a slight over order.

As far as I can see although I hope I can get my measurements to arround 0.1 cubic metre accuracy my spreadsheet tells me that a 3 cubic feet builders barrow equates to 0.08 cubic metres so I am aiming to get the volume to within two barrow loads.

This seems a bit tight, and the one thing I really don't want is to have almost enough concrete.

So for ready mixed I will have to over order then plan to dispose of the extra (if any). This is the main attraction of the mix-on-site; this assumes, of course, that you can trust the operator :-(

[dennis]

one you feel most comfortable with

The people that did my shed base used Mastercrete (IIRC). They arrived and mixed it a barrow at a time (takes them about 30 seconds) The computer on the truck counts all the weights, etc. You can have different cement and water content in each barrow full if you want. I have no idea how much it cost. They had a full truck when they arrived and could have mixed another 50 barrow loads when they left.