Completely OT Super-fast net planned across the UK

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't see how the government spending almost £1 Bn on this is going to generate too many jobs. Most call centres etc seem to be located abroad anyway. It will be great for on-line gamers and people who download massive files. I can't understand why the Government is so keen to promote it. Am I missing something here??

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Wesley
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Wooing voters for the next election?

Owain

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Owain

Have you ever tried to run an internet based business from a rural area where it can be a struggle to get 255kbps, even when you are paying for a 5:1 contention ratio?

Colin Bignell

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Nightjar

On 2010-12-06, Nightjar

Reply to
Huge

well yes.

While broadband and fast broadband can't totally replace travelling, it does a heck of a lot to help.

If someone's job is done in front of a computer and 90% of their daily communication is through that, or a phone, it makes them totally position independent - as Indian call centres have discovered.

Now the archaic British Management has yet to figure out how to manage a remote workforce except by subcontracting it to a whole subcontinent, but, if there is an ounce of common sense left in it, sooner or later the penny will drop and people all over the country will e working in te same virtual office on the same projects.

Now we do a lot here, and pushing up BIG graphic objects of several tens of MB takes a long time at 448KBps.

Likewise its inadequate for quality video in the UP direction. If we want to create virtual offices and VPNS we need high speed *symmetric* transfers.

ADSL was created on the assumption that the domestic market would be net consumers of data. However proper VPN working would be better served by SDSL - 10Mbps bi-directional is very usable to access a file server, though it feels slow by gigabit standards.

And finally, access to decent speed broadband for business to business communications is almost mandatory these days.

So that's the business case.

Domestically, on-line shopping is already a significant player. If anything CAN replace queuing up for car parks to find the store doesn't have what you want, and then queuing to get out again, it has to be a plus for the country. IF a decent way of paying for it can be sorted out, there is also no reason why books, CDs and DVDS cant be online downloads either, thus saving more transport, more plastic and more trees etc.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

or better still, where the best you an get is a bloody expesnive 48kbps modem? most sites are simply unusable these days.

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The Natural Philosopher

Have you got any ancient phones in your house? If not, have you tried disconnecting the bell-wire at your BT master socket? We're some 2 miles from the exchange, and speed went from 3.5-4 Mbps to 7.6Mbps (raw line speed) when I had that done.

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Tim Streater

Depends on the nature of the business, but surely the sensible thing is to have the servers in a different place from the the people?

Reply to
Clive George

Hell no!

If they were going to get into bed with Microsoft like Tory B Liar did at the start of his one man banned or like the other lot did with whatever else they did, they wouldn't tell us how and why if we were unsuspecting.

So no you were not missing something there.

But then when we all signed up to kill brown people in Iran and Iraq we didn't know that Bush Co Newcopian Enterprises was going to get all the contracts to bring technology to the poor benighted ancient civilization; nor find unlimited mineral reserves in Afghanistan.

So I suppose there is a lot yet to be reported about the feeding of the pigs etc. I wonder who they will turn out to be once firmly established at the trough.

Reply to
Weatherlawyer

It was on an industrial estate, using a dedicated line installed for the purpose and the BT engineer even by-passed the plug-in bit of the BT master socket to try to improve the speed, without much effect.

Colin Bignell

Reply to
Nightjar

Eh?

Eh?

What random-text generator did you use for this content-free post?

Reply to
Tim Streater

It was exchanging data with the servers that was the problem.

Colin Bignell

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Nightjar

If nothing else, the story did produce this little gem :o)

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Colin Stamp

I've only recently changed from dial-up to broadband. I'm paying for

10Mbps, getting anywhere between 1 and 2 Mbps, but I still think it's fantastic! Maybe I'm easily pleased, but I was getting ~3Kbps on dial-up, so that's approximately a 500-fold increase, and I can't see myself ever needing anything faster for what I use. I'm out in the country in Cornwall, and ironically BT are supposedly giving Cornwall super-fast broadband before the rest of you. Not to me they won't.
Reply to
Chris Hogg

No bell wires here. PABX.#

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

doesn't help. Access is limited by he weakest link for the weakest link.

Reply to
The Natural Philosopher

BT is well snouted in at top level. its another way to bail their pension plan disaster out.

Now I don't mind that IF they actually deliver..what is needed.

So far it's about 3/10 must try harder.

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The Natural Philosopher

It costs around £5 for a local council to deal with a question by post. If it's done via a web site it costs less than 20p. The government wants everyone to use the web so they can shut down the expansive support services used by fewer and fewer people.

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Bernard Peek

BT had already committed to spending enough to cover 66% of the country, funny that if the govt raids the BBC licence fee coffers for £800m, then BT can find another £800m to take coverage to 90%

So why hadn't BT already committed to use the £800m they can now find to take coverage to 78% ?

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Andy Burns

That's why our MP told us to send letters..not a petition.*Individual* letters.

It makes a mockery of all that cost saving. And they find it hard to ignore. One petition only needs on 'Michael Mouse' on it to be entirely discredited.

A thousand on line objections can vanish at the touch of a key.

Know thine enemy..registered post is even better as they have to sign for the ruddy lot..

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The Natural Philosopher

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