Hmm. Some bureaucrat somewhere is living 20 years in the past. The ADSL
Forum always intended that all broadband access around the house was to be
by wireless links. Early ADSL modems used Ethernet or other links only
because wireless wasn't ready then.
In what way do building regs affect replacing a window? I'm having my
existing double glazing units removed and replaced with new double
glazing units (so as to match the double glazing units in an extension
were having built). Do I need building regs approval for this, or is
it replacing original single glazing with double glazing that falls
foul of the building regs?
IMHO Extending building regs to DIY activities, such as installing a
bit of new wiring, broadband access and the like is about par for the
course for socialist governments like we have at the moment. If you
want less government interference in your life, vote Conservative. If
you want more govenrment interference in your life, vote Labour/Lib
Michael Heseltine c.1979 may have made wonderful speeches about
jobs locked up in planners filing cabinets and making a bonfire of
controls but all they did was increase planning controls. Listen to
the media now and you'll hear Conservative spokesmen saying that it
is outrageous that HMG are prepared to allow the thousands of new
houses to be built in the South East. You won't hear them saying
that it is outrageous that HMG was ever given the power to
determine this and once they come to power market forces will be
the sole determinant of what houses are built and where.
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Personally, I'm inclined not to give a monkey's - I will just follow
the IEEE regulations and do what I've always done. This IMO is
Blairite regulation gone mad and they can stuff it.
Now that's a personal opinion and I'm not recommending anyone else do so
without careful thought.
AFAICS the only time it's likely to be an issue is when selling. If
selling, I suppose it's possible to get an inspection done then?
Anyone know different? Assuming so, if buyers markey, I'll pay, if
seller's market, buyer can blinkin pay if they want the certs that badly.
I really can't see how they are going to enforce this at all.
Up the revolution!
That'll do fine for designing Ethernet gear; for domestic wiring you may
prefer the IEE regs ;-)
Yes, buying and selling time is the main time any inspections will get
done in practice. And as you suggest, there's a makework scheme by which
the buyer's solicitor/conveyancer sends a standard set of queries including
sthg like "Can the vendor confirm that all electrical work has been
carried out under the relevant Building Regulations" and the seller's
solicitor replies (or at least mine will) "the vendor is not aware of
any material departures fron the relevant Building Regulations, but the
buyer must satisfy themselves at their own expense as to the state of
the electrical installation". Then both solicitors can put another few
minutes' chargeable work on their bills (even though this is all standard
boilerplate) and they're both happy.
By appealing to the venality of the less repatable members of the trade,
I'm afraid. "Ooh, what's that missus? Your lights keep going out? No
problem, we'll have someone round in the morning". Cue sunrise. Plausible
rogue arrives, sucks teeth meaningfully, "I think I've found the fault"
(pushes button back on MCB) "but you're really going to need a full
inspection. If it turns out you need a full rewire, we'll refund the cost
of the inspection. Trust us, we're honest tradesmen, and here's a
sistificate that says so." (Not to malign all sparkies: there are plenty
who are anything but ripoff merchants; but the 'self-certification' route
increases the temptation to talk up the intrinsic difficulty & danger of
the simplest electrical job...)
Well, if it was me I'd be inclined to say that no electrical work has
been done on the property since this regulation came into force, so
no, there is no certificate.
This is what will happen in the vast majority of cases. If the house
burns down because of dodgy wiring, the insurance will still pay
because officially the wiring was in place before the certification
regulation etc. Some insurers will solicit reports about the wiring
condition (ie was it newer than the regulation start date), but I
doubt it because the vast majority of fires WILL show the wiring was
old, so they will have to pay out anyway. My guess is that only if
they suspect the wiring was 'improved' but not checked, will they
investigate further, just like they do with burglary claims where the
claimant inflates the claim amount (ie, adding in enough extra to but
a new carpet etc). Most people will get away with it, a very few
In short its an undenforcable regulation, but let's not forget, the
point is not to raises standards in the industry (if anything it will
lower them as the grey market gets bigger), but to raise revenue for
Mr Brown. It's a tax, and a very regressive one that will be passed on
to those who buy 'official' electrical services, ie the elderly,
single mothers and anyone else who has a fear of electricity. The rest
of us who can read books with titles like "Home Electrics for Dummies"
will not be affected one little bit.
Just my twopenn'orth.
Hopefully they'll get the timing wrong and change
the colours about three months before the new
regs come in. That way we'll all be able to use the
new-colour cable and claim we did all our electrical
work back in a three-month period early in the 21st
of the century!*
* unless they start printing the date on cable
Some insurers will solicit reports about the wiring
My insurance requires me to maintain my property in good condition, but
nowhere does it say anything about having it **certified** to conform to
building regulations. If insurance companies wanted to ensure safe
electrical installations it would make more sense for them to insist upon
periodic 5 year inspections as suggested by the wiring regulations.
Taking the analogy of car insurance - is my insurance invalid if my brakes
fail after I have changed the brake pads?
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