Builders and electrics PT2

And non of those much to do with the EU. Immigration from outside the EU has never been tightly controlled either.

And it is nothing to do with the EU how many houses we build, what wages are paid, and what infrastructure is provided. Just very convenient to blame the EU, when the fault lies with the UK government.

Whilst I agree it is the largely the fault of 3 sets of governments, there was no other solution. None of the governments has put in place policies to cope with change.

I do take issue with wages. They have stagnated due to immigration. You can deny this as much as you like, but only now are businesses complaining of potential shortages, which is a recipe for increased wages in the future.

Things are moving in the right direction for those who work. For those who don't, well, they make little contribution to the nation's wealth.

OK. So if big business persuades the government of the day it needs this supply of 'cheap' labour via immigrants, are you saying they will stick to their promise of reducing immigration substantially? History says different. Every recent government has promised to reduce immigration in response to the demands from some of the public, then do virtually zero. Trying to re-patriate a few thousand so called illegals would only be a drop in the ocean.

The main reason for stagnant wages is the lack of effective unions. You only have to look at those areas which still have effective unions to prove the point. And it really does bring a wry smile to my face - all these right wingers blaming low wages on immigration when it is *exactly* what they want to maintain. Immigration or not.

Odd that pensioners have been well protected from this wages cut in real terms. Perhaps you think they contribute to the nation's wealth?

We pay tax the same as you.

And Brexit is the consequence of failed promises.

Nonsense, if anything strong unions push manufacture and processes abroad and stem investment.

What pushes up wages is demand in labour. Simple supply and demand. Not overnight, all things take time.

Agreed, the power of pensioners who are more likely to vote. I would be happy to remove the ratchet with wages and inflation.

Me as a pensioner?

Perhaps you might read what I was replying to. To get the full picture.

You want to replace 'failed promises' with even more? How very very odd.

That'll be why all the foreign owned car makers in the UK are unionised, then?

So the boasts of this government about the high levels of employment in the UK are so many lies?

Collective bargaining has already been proved to work for establishing the best pay for a job. But as I said this is exactly what right wingers

Be interesting how you would set the pension rate. Perhaps an independant body like the one which sets MP's pay and expenses etc would be the better way.

and you believe all the problems in blighty are due to immigration? wot a d*****ad

No me as a pensioner. I will pay even more if I manage to get to state pension age. I suppose Corbin could bribe us by making the state pension tax free. 8-)

Yep they certainly have. But at least the Welsh have their own language so us Yorkshire men do not have to talk to them:-)

The only d*****ad is the one asserting that belief.

Thanks for that.

It was almost certainly the bell wire that got red hot from a dead short and started to burn without seriously inconveniencing the transformer.

They are very lucky that the MCB did eventually trip to cut the power. It must have been touch and go at one point judging by the charring.

I have seen a similar near miss where a malfunctioning oil fired boiler vent was allowing flames and/or very hot smoke to escape onto wood above it. Luckily the escaping gasses also heated up the mains feed to the boiler and when the charring was sufficient it took out the MCB.

The other interesting one was CH valve failed with water dripping down a wall and getting a mains socket with a plug in it wet. The charring from that was impressive - although the carpet underneath was soaking wet and so able to cope with the shower of red hot carbon embers dropping down onto it (old style house wiring with 30A fused ring main and no MCB).

Is it ok to just leave mains lighting cables lying around over and under the loft insulation.?

Someone could venture into that loft and tread on a cable where it crosses a joist and crush the cable insulation.

They'd need to be wearing some pretty odd footwear. ;-)

It's common enough. But I don't like it for exactly the reason you say.

I actually ran wire basket tray around the perimeter of my roof so the main runs out from there are either clipped to the side of the joists (preferred) or draped over the ceiling (technically OK, again very common, I prefer to avoid as it means being careful if drilling the ceiling from below).

Not bothered about cables, but I've seen many junction boxes in lofts suffer the same fate.

Most would fix those to the side of a nearby joist. For that very reason.