Boiler and Hot Water Tank in Same Cupboard ?

[Andy Hide]

I am in the process of moving my hot water tank from a cupboard in the bathroom to a fitted wardrobe in the adjacent bedroom. There is currently a back boiler in the living room chimney.

In terms of planning ahead I would like to allow space in the wardrobe to fit a conventional boiler at a later date when the back boiler finally gives up and dies. The flow/return for the boiler passes under the bedroom which would make it easy to re-route later on. One side of the cupboard is on an outside wall which would allow for flue installation.

My question is whether it's feasible to have a hot water tank in the same cupboard as the boiler. A quick look at a couple boiler manuals suggests that there are specific ventilation requirements for boilers and it is quite likely that another heat source in the same cupboard would not be permitted.

I don't plan on fitting the boiler myself, just wanted to make it easy to install one later on when the time comes.

Don't want to go down the combi route so please don't suggest removing the tank and fitting a combi!

Any help is appreciated.

[IMM]

Most modern boilers can fit in a cupboard with no ventilation.

Fit a high flow combi. The Alpha CB50 storeed water model will do. All in one box, all solved.

[Dave Plowman (News)]

The needle's stuck again...

[John Rumm]

Not going to be a problem I would have thought, unless the cupboard is very small. As long as you can get in there to work on the tank or the boiler it should be fine.

Most boilers are "room sealed" so they have no ventilation requirements as such. They will have clearance distances specified that will ensure they will not cause undue heating of adjacent surfaces, and also allow sufficent clearance for removal of covers etc when servicing. These clearances can be very small (i.e. my boiler only required 5mm to each side, 100mm below, and 190mm above).

Also bear in mind that A modern well lagged tank is also a fairly poor heat source. The same is also true of the casework on modern condensing boilers - they may get warm to the touch - but not hot as such.

[Andy Hall]

It's the July solution to world hunger, disease, pestilence and hot water.......

.andy

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[Andy Hall]

One thing to think about if you are going to fit a boiler in a bedroom, even in a cupboard, is the noise.

From next year, new boilers will have to be condensing types (nothing wrong with that). However, these do have a fan (all do AFAIK) and although pretty quiet are noticable. Hence they tend to be fitted in kitchens etc.

Perhaps another option, if you are tight on space downstairs would be to fit the boiler in the loft. If the heating system is switched to sealed operation (this doesn't imply that the hot water has to be), then there is no restriction on placement of boiler relative to cylinder as you have today. You would have to have a gas supply run the the loft and board the area around the boiler to allow access for servicing, but it could be a solution. Most modern boilers have a variety of flue arrangements, including a pair of 50mm high temperature plastic waste pipes in some cases, so you don't necessarily have to have the traditional arrangement of a large flue terminal through the wall.

.andy

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[Christian McArdle]

I preferred the March solution of using 2 multipoint heaters to do the heating.

Christian.

[Christian McArdle]

Yes, I've got my cylinder (heat bank) and boiler in the loft. Best place for 'em. My loft was already boarded, loft laddered and with electric light, so it was easy. We just needed to run loads of electrical cables and pipework. The flue went out vertically through the roof with a flashing tile, which is a much better idea than having a plume belching out onto the patio, which is common with kitchen condensing boiler installations.

Christian.

[IMM]

Do you people have solutions to suit the monthly climate? How novel

[IMM]

Best solution for this man. The best. You don't know about these things.

[IMM]

The OP, and yourself, doesn't know, he is being educated.

If he is considering putting the cylinder in a wardrobe that tells me a lot. he needs a combi. That is easy for him to do if he is DIYing, takes up less space, instant gushing water, etc.

[Clive Summerfield]

A bit of advice for you. If you're going to criticise a person's education, then try to use acceptable English, rather than the nightmare construct of poor grammar above. And don't assume that a person is uneducated simply because they have already ruled out your prefered solution. After all, the original poster knows more about his requirements than you do. Actually, the original poster probably knows more than you, period. However, we'll skip that for now.

Wow, what a deductive genius you are. That the original poster wishes to move the cylinder from a cupboard in the bathroom to a wardrobe in the bedroom tells me a couple of things. Firstly that he needs more space in the bathroom, and secondly that he is happy to sacrifice some space in the bedroom. As I said before, the original poster gave no indication of his other requirements, so the proposed solution of a combi is fundamentally flawed.

Cheers Clive

[IMM]

< snip tripe >

But I know how to give him then best solution. he doesn't, neither do you.

He knows me? people who know me come to me.

We will have to.

Thank you.

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

But you only have one solution to every problem. Isn't it about time you started reading some new brochures?

[Christian McArdle]

Shall we run a sweepstake on the August solution?

I think he's going to modify an electric shower to heat up 100 tonnes of sand poured into the cavity wall. Pipes then run through the sand to provide millilitres of piping hot water at the taps.

Christian.

[IMM]

Sounds interesting.

[Clive Summerfield]

You missed out the word "think". You "think" you know how to give him the best solution. Given the lack of information regarding his requirements, I wouldn't have the temerity to make recommendations. There again, that's the difference between a professional and a fool; the fool always rushes in first.

Hmmm. Better add reading and/or comprehension to the list of basic skills you're sadly lacking.

An inability to detect sarcasm should also be added to the list of your personal deficiences.

The tripe is actually your original statement quoted above. I'm actually surprised that you haven't suggested putting the combi in the loft and filling the wardrobe with sand to increase the thermal mass of the property.

Cheers Clive

[IMM]

Correction: I "know".

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[Dave Plowman (News)]

Well, if you know, why did you leave it out?

[Ed Sirett]

I can't remeber where I heard/read this quote:

"If you only have a hammer everything looks like a nail."