Today, Tony Blair unveils a stand-alone Bill to help the widows of
asbestos victims. This is a pretty bold manoeuvre which, much to the
chagrin of the insurance lobby, has been applauded by the press.
In essence, the Bill aims to overturn a ruling by the Law Lords in May
which stated that damages should be split between the employers in
those cases where more than one employer exposed the victim to asbestos
Can anyone find the text of this Bill anywhere? Or is it possible that
after shooting from the hip and promising a draft Bill by today, the Prime
Minister has been advised that his wishes are unrealistic? Maybe the
Department of Dodgy Dossiers isn't very expert in the drafting of
So my widow will get some compensation.
Does buggerall for me sitting here waiting to see if the damage to my
lungs spreads and not being able to say just where I worked with
asbestos in order to claim some compensation.
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Whatever this Bill might say, there is no way your widow would have any
better claim than you do. If you have no right to compensation, then neither
does your widow.
You haven't said what asbestos-related condition you have, but it won't
necessarily spread. And are you sure you cannot remember *any* exposure to
asbestos from any source?
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 18:18:44 +0100, The Todal wrote:
It's not unusual. Many of the companies working with asbestos fibre were
less than careful over the control of asbestos used at several sites around
the UK. There were reports of poor quality dumping into landfill with a
thin scrape of soil over the top which eroded allowing fibres to be blown
in the wind. Also some factories in urban areas simply vented fibres into
the air via the extraction systems.
Much use was also made of "cyclones" for the movement of asbestos fibre.
That is fibres were blown along ducts by air pressure to move them from one
part of the factory to another, then at point of use separated from the
airflow by a cyclone. These are the devices that Mr Dyson used as
inspiration for his vacuum cleaner and they do not provide 100%R effective
separation of air and fibres allowing fibres to blow in the wind, often for
I recall a BBC documentary from the 1970s which showed that the majority of
dust in the roof spaces of houses in the vicinity of asbestos weaving sheds
In these conditions it is easy for individuals to become affected by
asbestos but to have no clear idea of which company was responsible. It's
also worth noting that up until very recently all friction materials
(clutches, brakes etc) used in cars contained asbestos. The dust from these
products was a large part of roadside dust and exposure could have occurred
from this source. It only needs a single asbestos fibre to cause
Which often gets read as "a single asbestos fibre will cause
mesothelioma", which if true would mean almost all of us would have it,
particularly those who lived near asbestos factories or who used the
stuff as kids in school chemistry labs.
Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
The use of asbestos in these components was been phased out over
a number of years prior to the ban on using asbestos in these
components bought in in 1999. The use of asbestos in components
for pre '73 vehicles was stopped in 2005 ISTR. "Asbestos free"
has been used as a selling point for at least 20 years
Extreme asbestos exposure by no means always results in that,
though - it's quite extraordinary. A documentary some years ago
showed workers literally white with the stuff. Not nice.
I think there must be many people who get asbestos-related diseases without
knowing the source of the asbestos but it is often possible to remember a
source at work if you try hard enough. One claimant who worked in a
university building successfully pursued a claim on the basis that asbestos
ceiling tiles were removed during a refurbishment project and broken up and
left in a public area for a while. Those who worked with vehicle brakes have
successfully claimed exposure from asbestos brake shoes. Those who have
ever helped clear up after a building has been fire-damaged, may be able to
show that asbestos tiles or partitions were broken and that there was
exposure whilst clearing up the debris. Anyone who has worked as a tradesman
(carpenter, electrician, plumber) can plausibly argue that they were exposed
whilst drilling through asbestos partitions or shelves.
One example is a large council housing estate in the Borough of Barking,
built on the site of the old Cape asbestos factory.
Indeed, there is no "safe" level. What doctors are currently agreed on,
however, is that there is a delay of at least 10 years between the exposure
to the fibre and the presentation with symptoms of mesothelioma. In other
words exposure less than 10 years before presentation with symptoms will not
Be gratefull he's getting rid of it. Don't lean over the fence watching him.
My local authority used to have an asbestos disposal facility- I seem to
recall it had to be bagged. Does your neighbour seem to have a death wish?
Mesothelioma is very rare. Lung diseases like silicosis and asbestosis are
far more common. You will know if you have "clogged up lungs", but only the
doctor who does the post mortem will be able to say what the dominant cause
was, and only then if they take sections and carry out microscopic analysis.
Just as "one fibre can cause mesothelioma", so can one alpha particle cause
lung cancer. But the probability per particle is very low indeed.
No problem. I have had things in perspective for some years now.
When the asbestos scare started I got the impression from the way
things are reported, and still are, that it was only a matter of time
before I inevitably contracted mesothelioma.
I have done a bit of research since and found that the possibility of
dying from mesothelioma is just one more danger on the same scale as
the myriad of others facing those of us past 60 years old. Other
cancers, heart failure and many other ilnesses and even driving to
town. You have to die from something eventually anyway.
It's just that reporting about asbsetos diseases reads a little like
"One driving trip to town centre is enough to kill or permanently
cripple you and all car owners are in danger." Yes, but those who
drive cars have perspective and know what the statement means. Those
who have been in contact with asbestos do not necessarily have any
perspective and my experience has shown that no one, including doctors
and other health professionals, are prepared to provide any.
One thing that does concern me, though.
I have been in contact with asbestos dust in a few of the places I
have worked over the last 40 years, but if I do contract mesothelioma
then the only one I will admit is the steelworks where I insulated
cables with asbestos in the 1970's. They acknowledge that I worked
with asbestos there, so that settles it for me. I have someone to sue
for compensation should the need arise.
It's there that my problem begins. If I do contract mesothelioma there
is no way I am going to submit to treatment and let the illness run
its inevitable course. I am going to take a large amount of LSD every
day for a week or so to enhance the right frame of mind and then
overdose on heroin. What worries me if this 'suicide' will affect any
compensation my wife might expect.
I have often found that all the workmates of a mesothelioma victim are hale
and healthy and have a normal lifespan, but of course once people start
asking them about how much asbestos they were using it does tend to leave
them feeling rather depressed about their future.
I worry about when I changed brake blocks and brake shoes 20 years ago.
Interesting question but I don't think it would, not so long as a definite
diagnosis had been made.
It is something I often wonder about - whether I would do as everyone else
does and accept the treatment that will lengthen your life by 6 to 10
months, or let the disease take its course as quickly as possible, or commit
suicide. I think when people are actually in that position they usually
follow medical advice and cling to life as long as possible and it would
take a great effort of will to rebel.
Thanks, that is very good information and just the sort of thing I
want to know. I do not understand why the health professionals I have
talked to over the years have been so non-committal and extremely
reluctant to say anything.
It was white asbestos cloth and rope and threw up a thin haze of
particles while being wrapped around the cables. I insulated cables
this way perhaps three or four times a month for about 10 years.
If the sheets were not broken or crumbling, it is unlikely you were exposed
to any significant quantities of asbestos.
It is of course possible for any of us to be exposed to asbestos without
even knowing. I am aware of a case involving a theatre manager who has
contracted mesothelioma. The only exposure of which he is aware is to a
fire-curtain which is old, frayed and crumbling, and probably also to
sprayed-on asbestos coatings on steelwork in the building. Visitors would
probably have been unaware of any risk, but who knows how many theatregoers
as well as actors and backstage staff could have been exposed. Nobody will
ever tell them.
This would be pleural plaques or pleural thickening, currently the subject
of an appeal to the House of Lords after a Court of Appeal ruling that
symptomless damage to a lung is not compensatable. And fortunately, the
chances of you becoming breathless are fairly low.
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