What finally worked.
We discovered the builder had used orangeburg pipe 45 years ago, and
subsequently we had added a room with concrete floor, tiled, no crawl
space, over the waste pipe to the septic system.
(I know we should not have...but I didnt think of it 30 years ago)
No access to replace the orangeburg pipe for 30 feet...without a jack
hammer, and the orangeburg pipe was disintegrating and collapsing.The
toilet was clogged.
Here In NJ the plumbers wanted $7500.00 to resolve the problem...I guess
they assumed we had no choice.
Well I learned that code was 3 inch...
I took a 2 foot section of 3 inch copper pipe attached with threaded
adapter to 1 1/2 in steel pipe and hammered it into the orangeburg from
under the toilet...pulling it back and dumping it and when necessary
adding 6 foot of 1 1/2 inch steel pipe each time, a few feet at a time
and eventually had somewhat a clear path, then took 3 inch PVC waste
pipe..a bit narrower than 3 inch regular PVC....and hammered iit into
the 4 in orangeburg..10 foot section at a time, joined the next section
with PVC cement and hammered someore. We did 30 foot of 3inch
PVC...until we cleared the wall of the house...
It took about three days...because besides buying the stuff, Im 70
years old and just cant work as fast anymore.
but my final cost was around $100.00
what about bends in the orangeberg pipe?
somewhat confused but i understand the concept
my sewer pipe in Montana is getting roots in it--about 75 foot run from
house to main lne
estimate $5,000 to do it
same for using a hydralic ram type of thing
i have been looking at more creative solutions---like passing like you
did a small diameter pipe/tube and passing over it apropriate diameter pvc
i do not knowwhat the codes are ( planning on looking for it)
we use this sort of concept in surgery all the time
pass a thin wire and pass a tube over the wire
In my case I broke out the 4 inch cast iron that was in the crawl space
under the bathroom and started to feed in the 3inch PVC waste pipe, at
10 feet I did encounter resistance and took a maul and block of wood
and started tapping it..
I have no idea what I was hitting but the pipe was going in at a few
inches each time so I kept it up until it suddenly freed up and slid in
with little trouble til I reached the 30 foot line outside the house.
I thought I had encountered a slight bend in the orangeburg pipe...but
to this day Im unsure what caused the resistance....
If you have a curve or 45 degree bend or anything close, I doubt this
As to sliding a larger diameter pipe "over" a narrower pipe, I wouldnt
think that would work...
without some serious room to work and some heavy equiptment to drive it
and even then 75ft seems a long way to go..but thats beyond my
BFD time to get over it gramps.
You have not "come up" with anything.
It is common to use an existing pipe as conduit.
I have seen a steerable drilling rig that could drill
and enlarge hole while insureing that it has pitch.
Also I'd put a 3"x1 1/2" coupling with a 2' capped stub
on the front if it. Cut it then re-attach with fernco.
help to steer it. Id prob pull it through though.
Your idea sounds like a good way to waste a lot of
time. I just love it when old farts like you
get so proud of some hairball scheme you come up with.
roto_router can do this. You could spend a little more
money and have to hole professionally drilled. That
part where it got hung up could be a sag or a hump in
a line with little or no pitch. Who knows?? Why didn't
you pull it through with a come-along or something??
cause your stupid and old thats why.
and where do you live Scum bag Ned, , here in NJ the job would cost
thousands...a steerable drilling rig, are you an ass hole or what?...do
you own one or have you priced a steerable drilling rig..or are you one
of these guys who never has done and doesn't have to do the job but
knows exactly how it should be done, as you probably don't have indoor
plumbing anyway.... BTW there is no E in insuring.
You are sure a "know it all" negative S.O.B. Here the guy is trying to
show us an innovative way he solved his problem and all you come up with
are a bunch of negative "waves" to discourage us problem solvers. I
agree with the other poster: Go F--- yourself.
Ned Flanders wrote:
The crawl space under the bath is 8' by 8' with 30 inch clearance in
this old farm house...the septic tanks is 15 feet from outside wall of
the old farm house under three wall foundations any one of which could
Router rooter came and couldn't help, suggested jack hammer work,
couldn't do anything with the deteriorating orangeburg. In NJ if you
call a plumber and he doesn't have an 8' ceiling with heated basement he
wont work there. I know I have used the yellow pages and only 1 out of
every 10 plumbing contractors you call even bother calling back much
less show up when you tell them the working conditions.
The two plumbers that did show up, one charged me $75.00 to show up and
wanted $300.00 to use a remote TV on a snake to diagnose the problem,
the other wanted $7500. as the only solution was jack hammer and trench
around the house to bypass the problem
Yeah I did the job and it worked damn well. I agree I guess I don't know
the correct names for all of the plumbing equipment that I used, rented,
borrowed, bought. But hell man this isn't rocket science you know, there
are only 2 questions you have to answer correctly to be a plumber. Did
you get them both right the first time or did you have be tutored?
No understanding nor respect for the trade? Before retiring I was a
comptroller for a large Mechanical contractor for 35 years. All the
free help I needed was only a phone call away from good men who would
have come to my home for free to help me including the ex plumber
millionaire owner of the firm, my old boss who wanted to send a crew
over, and when I refused he called me and offered on a sunday morning
to work with me himself, and to be sure I could easily have afforded to
hire the work done, had anyone remotely resembling an honest plumber
shown up I damn sure would have.
From the asshole way you write I doubt that you even understand the
meaning of the words self reliant, pride, independent. Words your more
accustomed to are lie, cheat, steal, gouge, rip off your neighbor and
call anyone you cant beat nasty names. I sure have met your kind before
Ned, a lot of built up hostility trying hard to feel good about
yourself and rationalize why its everyone elses fault your such a loser;
calling anyone and everyone names who doesn't want to support your lazy
I know well what Cheap pain in the ass means to you...yes that means
anyone who doesn't want to throw money at you because you think you have
them over a barrel...god knows how many old women people like you have
screwed over the years and feel damn proud of yourselves. You guys sit
up nights drooling at the mouth waiting for the call from somebody who
grew up in a household where they didn't learn to work with their hands
and cant help themselves, especially women. "Oh man another poor sucker
I can rip off...I cant wait to dazzle them with my bullshit routine!"
It makes me sick to see the contractors here in NJ literally robbing
poor working families and especially elderly widows around here making
them pay 2 and 3 even 4 times what the job is worth to ignorant losers
like you who are upset because you cant beat some old guy out of his
Your not in the least bit upset about my solution whether its good or
bad or works or doesn't work doesn't matter to you a damn, your pissed
because you and guys like you missed out on a likely old sucker you
missed a chance to rob his money..and whats worse the old bastard is now
telling other people to give it a try for themselves.
Yeah your right I am old, been there done that...a lot of cuts bruises
and scars even half a finger missing on these old hands, from my years
in the Infantry, union laborer local 472, and walking the steel in
bridge building until I finally took advantage of the GI Bill, but
despite there being an awful lot of things I don't know comparatively
speaking Im not stupid and you and guys like you didnt get to rob my
money this time. So Ned you just keep calling me names so everyone here
knows exactly what you are all about.
Thanks to your willingness to speak your mind and allow others to see
you for what you are,, its not just plumbing being discussed here.
"The crawl space under the bath is 8' by 8' with 30 inch clearance"
Then you are dumber than I thaught. All that because 30" was to low
a space to work in. OMFG. I work in crawlholes with less space than
that all the time. Last week I ran a gas line under a house, it was so
low I could not even roll over. But whatever, your a stinky old man
and all you have to do is sort by my name and look at how many are me
helping people. When I call someone an idiot they usually are, like you.
"But hell man this isn't rocket science you know"
Just more evidence of your lack of respect old man.
Elliott, You are a cheap decrepid old fool. What you did is dangerous and
selfish. You may end up contaminating your entire province. I hope raw
shit backs up beyond your traps and fills your home BITCH.
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