*YOU* are responsible for high gas prices

Mar 18, 2012 158 Replies

Did you know that everytime you buy anything in a plastic package, buy plastic trash bags, accept a plastic store bag, buy your kids plastic toys, and the list goes on......



*YOU* are responsible for high gas prices!!!

All plastics are made mostly from crude oil.



Look at what you're buying in the store. Nearly everything sold is made from plastic, and/or wrapped in plastic. Nearly any liquid is sold in plastic containers, such as detergents, beverages, and so much more. And right before you leave the store, you get umpteen plastic bags which have a life span of less than one day. Then you get into your car which is made from at least half plastic, and drive home carrying your plastic bags of plastic merchandise up your plastic stairs, grab your plastic door next to your plastic siding, and trip over some of the kids plastic toys on the plastic (vinyl) flooring. Then you put your groceries in your mostly plastic refrigerator or on the shelves in your cabinets which are likely made from parrticle board (saw dust and plastic binders), covered with a thin layer of plastic (fake woodgrain) coating. Finally you walk over to your plastic cabinet tv set, and sit on your couch made of some or mostly plastic.



If you think it's bad now, consider that new homes are becoming more made of plastics every day. Plastic siding is the top sold siding, plastic windows and doors, plastic plumbing (Pex and Pvc), plastic coated wiring (romex), and it seems the wooden decks of the past few decades are now made of plastic lumber, with plastic railings. The houses are insulated with styrofoam (a type of plastic), and it dont stop there. Your furnishings all contain at least some plastic is not fully plastic. Are your curtains and fabric covered couch cushions made of cotton, or a plastic derived plastic, just like much of your clothing. Amd you know those plastic lawn chairs that rarely last one summer..... did you ever see one of them burn? Compare the fire to dumping a 5 or 10 gallon can of oil into a fire....



What ever happened to wood, paper bags, metals, clays, glass, etc.



Sure it takes oil to mold metal, but look at the lifespan of metal objects compared to plastic. Heck, children's metal and wooden toys from the 1950s and even older are still around. You wont be passing on their plastic toys to their children, most dont last one year.



I'm not saying to eliminate all plastics, but at least half of them could be eliminated. To begin, it's time to get rid of all disposible plastics, no more plastic store bags, plastic soda /water/ beverage bottles, cut back on plastic containers for household liquids, get rid of many plastic toys, go back to decks made of real wood, and what ever happened to all the other sidings that have been replaced by cheap looking ugly plastic siding. And all that plastic packaging in the stores should ALL go, particularly those clamshells. And what ever happened to real metal bumbers on cars? The ones that could take a 5mph hit and show no damage. I dont even understand the reasoning of the cheap shattering plastic bumpers???? And why so much plastic fabric, when cotton was always reliable.



Ok, pvc plumbing is a winner for drainage, plastic wire insulation is superior to the old cloth covered wires, and plexiglass is safer on door lites than standard glass. But why the plastic electrical boxes, plastic light fixtures that often deform from the heat, and are those plastic door knobs, plastic toilet seats, and plastic window frames really necesaary, when the old ones lasted much longer.



We need to start re-thinking what we're doing with oil. As consumers, we need to begin to pressure manufacturers to stop using plastics in many things. Begin by refusing all plastic store bags, take your own cloth or papers bags. We're constantly being told to cut back on driving, and many people can. But what most people do not realize is the amount of oil that used in everthing we buy, and how much of that plastic is just worthless packaging that goes right in the trash.



In about a month we'll be celebrating Earth Day. While it's known that most plastics will be in our environment for centuries, so it's a good cause to work toward elimination of the plastic packaging. However, it's not just a matter of saving our planet, it's a matter of saving our oil, saving money, and cleaning up all the plastic pollution at the same time. We've become a society which lives in a world composed of more plastic than other materials, and one where nothing lasts anymore because most plastics have a short lifespan.



What can YOU do to cut back on plastics, thus cutting back on oil usage?



Gee, and all this time I thought it was cause B. Hussein was denying permits to drill and process oil.

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*YOU* are responsible for high gas prices!!!

What can YOU do to cut back on plastics, thus cutting back on oil usage?

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No, not exactly

Metal or plastics, we toss too much stuff and make too much junk. More of a consumer issue than a materials one.

You raise some good points, but much of what you say is not founded in facts.

Take that lawn chair. No, it is not like 5 or 10 gallons of gas when it burns, and burn it should. Most plastics contain about 18,000 Btu per pound. If not recycled, it is a good fuel in trash to energy plants. It serves a dual purpose that way, better than just taking oil and burning it, with plastics you get an extra use along the way.

You mention Styrofoam insulation. The amount of oil used to produce the insulation is miniscule compared to the amount of fuel it saves over the life of the house it is in. Before condemning its use, I want to see a study of energy used to produce other forms of insulation, such a fiberglass and see what gives us the best deal.

We have to recycle more and what is not recycled should go into a trash to energy plant that produces power while reducing the bulk for landfills. We should optimize our use of crude and make the products that ultimately are most beneficial, be it plastics from oil, or metal that uses oil in the processing.

I also found this: Percent of world oil consumption used for plastics

Percent of world oil consumption used for plastics: Unit: 7-8 Value: percent

Details/Sources 4% for feedstock and 3-4% for manufacturing.

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In many places a significant amount of plastic is being recycled today. For example, here in NJ we recycle all plastic soda/water bottles and similar. Most of those wind up being used to make carpet. Some also wind up in outdoor furniture and similar.

As for the reason for using plastics in cars instead of steel, it's because of the need to reduce weight to improve fuel economy. Substitute steel and you'll wind up using more oil for fuel than you save from the oil used to make the plastic.

I also think it's foolish to think getting rid of composite deck materials, siding, etc is going to get us anywhere. These have lifespans many times their wood equivalent and you'd have to look at the full cycle energy usage, labor costs, etc.

Good site.

OP has his head where the sun don't shine.

Replacing these materials with those from natural sources, e.g. paper bags, would probably consume much more energy from oil than the manufacture of the plastic.

Gasoline prices are per demand of posting from parent companies. outlets adhere at the risk of losing franchise license.

Why has NO one seriously pointed out that during the worst economic downtown in years and what is reported as 'shrinking' supply, all players in the oil industry posted the highest profits in corporate history? Somehow that seems contradictory.

What's so hard to understand? Obama *wants* high energy prices and he's gotten his way. Well, he'd rather raise prices through taxes but he had is shot at that, too.

So far it seems as if a course in Economics 101 might be in order.

Among every thing else, cost is a function of supply and demand. Saudi Arabia et al. says there is a good supply oil. But how about demand? Forget the plastics impact. Look at foreign consumers of oil. Consider China. Their economy is doing very well because American manufacturing is going down the tubes. So lots of Chinese are buying cars with the money we send them. Look at where we spend our money. Wal-Mart, Harbor Freight, Home Depot and similar. Look at Radio Shack and Best Buy.

You know the rest of them. Go to the store and buy an American Flag. When my son was in Desert Storm he brought home a typical Iraqi head covering, The damn thing has a made in China tag.

Here's the problem. Every time there is a tanker of oil is on the market we are bidding against our own money that now is in the hands of the Chinese.

So if you think that the president has any control of oil prices put down your copy of Playboy and start reading the business section of your newspaper.

Oh, you don't get the paper? Do me a favor and do not vote in the next election. Your choice should be made on understanding what is happening in this country and why some of the schemes that are proposed won't work.

Before you take that economics class, review what you already know but think it does not apply.

Two things you already know.

It takes money to make money and There is NO free lunch.

Charlie

Actually we make just as many things as we ever have, and even for inflation it has increased steadily. What has happened is a very large average increase in productivity over the last 20 years. We have lost considerably more jobs to robots then Chinese especially the higher paying ones.

Of course the President has some control. To the extent that the adminsitration's rules and regulations put obstacles in the path of developing our own resources it impacts greatly. The dumbest thing a president can say (and this has been said by people of both parties) is that there is nothing they can do immediately. While that is true, if someone had decided at the time of the last big surge to do something about it, THIS surge might not have been as large.

" snipped-for-privacy@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@4ax.com:

IIRC, gas prices have been as high or higher in the not so distant past. Oil production has been rising in the US for years, consumption has been declining, and average gasoline mileage of cars has been increasing for quite a while as well. Oil prices are high because of geopolitical circumstances. War in Syria, threats back and forth with Iran, sanctions against Iran, none of which helps lower the price. Add "maintenance" of refineries here and there in the US (as is usual before switching to funny summer gas), troubles in Africa's oil countries, and SNAFU comes to mind. Remember that acronym?

Oh, yes, drilling rig count is up also, for the umptiest month in a row. Drilling permits are up too. And although I still drive a 2005 Grand Caravan, because I like it, the best way to lower gas prices is to drive less, and/or drive a vehicle with better mileage. Good thing natural gas prices are so low that some of the drilling for natural gas is being suspended. Those lower prices depress oil prices as well.

Sure, but that's not the point. This one lays *squarely* on Obamma's shoulders. He's even said that he wants it to go *HIGHER*. His ES wants to reach Europeon levels. Nuts!

Oil production has been rising DESPITE Obama. He only controls federal lands. He's all but shut off all such exploration.

Typical leftist, when you run out of material, lie.

But it's *NOT* true. If there was a reasonable energy (and foreign) policy there wouldn't be the worry in the market. If he had a plan - bring on the pipeline, drill-baby-drill, and open federal lands, sure that oil wouldn't be coming onto the market for five years, but very few speculators are going to stick their neck out when the momentum is down.

I remember high gas prices, long lines for gas, and being told that we were running out of oil and the only solution was to accept it. It was the late 70s and we had the policies of Jimmy Cartyer, who poured billions into trying to turn shale into oil that produced not one drop. Like today's president, he waged war on the oil industry, placed new taxes on them, and told us to just get used to it. Then Ronald Reagan was elected who reversed all that and within a couple of years oil plumeted to $8 a barrel.

Following a similar scenario, I expect you'll see a substantial decline in the price of oil the minute Romney is elected. We could have as much oil in ANWR as Saudi Arabia, but until we go look, no one will know. Romney and the Republicans want to find out. Obama and the Dems could care less.

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I remember hearing much the same stuff in 1980 when Carter's failed policies had produced similar results. We were running out of oil and there was no easy solution. We had to learn to conserve, to do with less. With the election of Ronald Reagan, those failed policies were replaced with sound ones and free market economics. Oil headed straight down and was at $8 a barrel within a few years.

Just suppose we drilled in ANWR and found an oil field equal to Saudi Arabia? What do you think that would do to the price? Until you get rid of the politicians who won't even let exploratory drilling to find out what's there, no one will ever know.

In absolute dollar terms, you are correct. Profit as a percentage of revenue for oil companies is in the mid-range of profitable companies. Many industries have a higher profit percentage than oil companies, many have lower.

Were it not for the sale of beef jerky and such - which has a higher profit margin than gasoline - I suspect many oil companies would go broke.

"My fellow Americans,

"In order to hasten the recovery of our economy and reduce inflation, I, as President of the United States, am taking the following actions:

"1. Tomorrow I will direct the Secretary of the Interior to open bids for exploration and production in the Arctic National Wildlife Reserve. Further, he will be directed to award winning permits within the next three months.

"2. Also tomorrow, I am waving all objections to the proposed Keystone Pipeline. I hope our Canadian brothers can get to work on this project in the shortest time possible.

"3. In addition to the above, I am renewing all drilling permits in the Gulf of Mexico, and here I am referring specifically to those that were suspended due to the BP oil spill a year ago. Further, all federal moratoriums on offshore exploration and drilling, off any coast, are hereby repealed.

"Thank you and good night. "

If you don't think the price of gasoline would drop like a stone after a speech such as that, you're nuts.

What do you think of the abiotic oil theory?

Guys, the price of gas was higher around June of 2008 than it is now .

As for Romney getting to be president, you're wishing for a messiah who'll never come. But, don't despair - Handel's Messiah will come, over and over again. And if you can't wait, you can get it on Amazon or iTunes right now.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in news:yNj9r.97858$ snipped-for-privacy@news.usenetserver.com:

The President gas NOTHING to do with the price of gasoline. Don't you remember back in the previous administration when gasprices were going up, all the experts on FOX news stated that the Shrub as president did NOT have the ability to affect the price of gasoline?

Denying permits? The curent well count is up 350%. In addition, oil production is now HIGHER than it has been since 2000. The US ranks number 3 in the world behind only Ruissia and Saudi Arabia in oil production.

Do your research before echoing non-facts from the right. You must be one of those people who, after hearing something over and over, regardless of its veracity, believe it.

John Carter

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