On Tuesday, January 7, 2014 12:59:03 AM UTC-5, nestork wrote:
I would think in most cases, the architect probably doesn't even
get to the level of detail that shows exactly where the pipes run
and even if they do, plumbers probably do what they feel like. The
plumber runs them where it's easy. Classic case is a kitchen sink
which usually has a window, so it's in the middle of an outside wall.
Not so easy to run pipes to that, versus coming straight up from
the basement. In some houses in colder climates, I've seen where they
run them up throught the floor for that instead of in the wall where
they are hidden, out of the way, etc.
The main thing the architect can do is avoid putting fixtures where
the natural way to get to them would be via an outside wall. In the
new construction here in NJ that I've seen recently, the only pipes
that are in an outside wall have been for the kitchen sink mentioned
above. In my house, built in 1983, the kitchen sink and one bathroom
toilet line are in outside walls.
Most of the problems are in older homes, not ones built in the past 30
or even 50+ years when good insulation and proper building techniques
are used. The other problems seems to be in homes build in moderate
climates that suddenly have a cold spell normally not found there.
Houses and trailers that have open crawl spaces. With tens of thousands
of older houses in this country there will always be frozen pipes, but
it is a rarity in millions of new homes because they do build them
And here's a laugh on me:
Tues Jan 07, 2014, 07:00 AM
My outdoor thermometer says -1F.
First time in years I've seen minus F temps out
there. I guess NYS is not experiencing global
warming. At least, not this morning.
Something froze. My hot water isn't flowing.
Cold is fine. I'll be outdoors in a few minutes
with electric heat gun, trying to thaw pipes.
Not going to use a torch.
8:25 AM, about an hour and a half later.
Hot works in the kitchen,and a little bit
in the bathroom sink. Lost the cold in the
bathroom sink. Shower and tub diverter seems
frozen. The WH cabinet has vent which is wide
open, about 12 x 18 inches, and the wind is
blowing from that direction. I'm rigging a
patch for that vent grille, cover that.
My fingers are serious cold, and I'm not enjoying
being out in the cold. Wishing I had a caged 100
watt light bulb I could put out there. And wait
for it to thaw.
Perhaps. best wishes that you and all the readers
of this list are OK. This serious cold makes me
appreciate natural gas, and electricity.
I didn't expect to be personally the subject of
the frozen pipes, but good to know I've got a team
of people cheering for me.
The "Duh" had nothing to do with wondering why the pipes aren't wrapped.
The "Duh" had to do with you telling us that some day you'll wrap the pipes
and then saying "which are not wrapped". I'm pretty sure that most us knew
that they weren't wrapped as soon as you told that some day you'll wrap
Got to watch for another battery charger. My "good"
one with the boost, is dead. The 6 amp was slow, but
better than nothing.
2 PM, the truck finally started. Ether didn't help.
My mechanic suggested heat on the distributor cap.
I had cleaned and WD-40 several multi pin connections.
I think the one that helped was either on the ignition
coil, or ignition module. Drove around the block, and
check the mail. Hope that helps for a while.
Still seriously cold. I need to find some indoor
activities, while my feet warm back up. I just don't
have the blood circulation to be out in the winter.
Going to be sure and leave the faucet drip, tonight.
Find some old slip joint pliers from HF. Remove
aerator, and bang it on the counter to remove the
particles of crud. Faucet works better, now.
I guess I found out that when it's -2F and blowing
in from the direction of the WH cabinet, that I need
to leave a pipe dribble. I have also blocked the
vent opening, and will some day maybe wrap the
pipes back there, which are not wrapped. And it's
only 10 AM.
for my next trick, I'll try to start the car.
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