Why you cagers turning left in front of we bikers are the most dangerous on the road

[badgolferman]

How many threads have you seen me start other than the monthly statistics one?

[badgolferman]

Mixmin is a newsserver which doesn't require registration, much like AIOE. Unlike AIOE though, the server admin doesn't respond or care about abuse messages.

[micky]

This last one is interestng. It means aiui that if he stops in the middle of his turn but for no external reason, no good reason beilng like he has second thoughts about turning, his phone rings, he wants to scratch his nose, so that he is still in the oncooming vehicles's way, when the oncoming thought he'd be out of the way by then, the left-turning car can be liable**. Even when NOT moving.

An unexpected event could be that the car turning in front of him s tops moving. Or some 4th car appears. I wonder what they would say about an eyelash getting in the driver's eye, or his having to cough.

Once you've started your turn, you can be obliged to finish it. When I'm the other driver I certainly proceed as if the driver in my way will have moved by the time I get there, and I think I picked this practice up by watching other people, but I dont' proceed so fast that I can't stop if he doesn't move.

**When my brother was about 22, and hadn't had a car in college, or high school, he turned left in front of someone who hit him just behind the right front wheel. He cut a verticle rectangular hole there, 12" high by 3" wide, cut on 3 sides and bent evenly at the rear. Cars were big then so there was enough room for this between the wheel well and the door. I think everyone just let it go, and we thought it was the other driver's fault. It probably was but but if the law was as I think it is in Flordia now, maybe my bother stopped suddenly and it was his fault?

[micky]

Who says I'm writing about the OP's situation? I writing about the questions raised by others whether right-of-way is something you can have or something that exists only to be yielded, etc. And it's related to that.

Everyone knew this. Don't look for disagreements.

[micky]

I think I'd heard that.

Wow, and wow.

When I rode a bicycle regularly, I noticed that other drivers, I noticed especially that those entering from cross streets or driveways, treated me like I was a car. That is, I'm going 10 or 12 mph and they have plenty of time to pull into the street without getting hit by me, but they wouldn't have enough time if i were going 25 or 30, but they don't have a separate rule in their head when it's safe to turn for 12mph. By the time they have time to observe my actual speed, I'm half way there, now they dont' have time even at my real speed. I think if I were walking at 3mph, they'd have a rule for that, know right off it's 3mph and they have time.

And I think drivers don't have a rule for 100mph because they have so little experience with that, and even if they see the oncoming car or moto, from head on it's hard to tell that its' going faster than 50, and even if you could use clues to calculate its speed, they have to turn their eyes back to look where *they themselves* are going. So like they assume I'm going 25 or 30, their minds assume a car is going 40 to 60.

[Marilyn Manson]

You did see the wink, didn't you?

I'm trusting you. It's all good.

[Marilyn Manson]

Not me.

Yep.

The only person I disagreed with was the (now known to be fake) OP.

[micky]

It didn't seem like you, and I have't held it against you.

But don't ride your motorcycle down my street .

[trader_4]

Nothing I posed had anything to do with defending this case, I was only addressing the fact that drivers turning in front of motorcycles is a well known and serious problem.

[badgolferman]

If I did you wouldn't have any problem seeing it.

[angelica...]

It's unlikely I would actually see it.

When faced with a 1-mile stretch of straight, smooth pavement and a

45-mph speed limit, what would you do?

I hear a lot more traffic than I manage to see.

Cindy Hamilton

[rbowman]

Urp... I suppose you have a hi-viz vest too. Is what appears to be a statue of the BVM an integral part of the bike?