On Tue, 12 Mar 2013 19:35:31 -0600, The Daring Dufas
The UAW took a pretty good haircut recently. They also bought out most
of the people who were really making the big bucks but they left with
fat pensions. All of my wife's family are UAW folks (Kokomo In,
Chrysler and Delco).
The thing that really pumped up their gross was overtime. They make
(made?) double or even triple time for some schedules and the old
timers knew how to squeeze that schedule for every dime possible.
My brother in law's kid made almost $65,000 the first year out of high
school (1987) putting transmission cases up on the line, setting a
bearing and hitting it with an air hammer.
I clicked on the link for "$73/hour" to see what the source was.
I get blocked by a login page for rightvoices.com.
So I still have no idea where that number comes from.
Or what it means.
The claim is that some time in the past,
someone estimated that a UAW worker made $73/hr,
(possibly including benefits).
I don't know if base pay for the UAW was ever 73,
that sounds extreme. Clearly that's not what they
I believe that's what the comment on the site meant. In the past, the
demands of the unions were so egregious that it put American automobile
manufacturers at a great disadvantage. The $73 amount must include an
average of all benefits plus overtime. I can remember working hourly as
a peasant and I lived for overtime but the tax on the overtime pay often
wiped out any gains unless the overtime was extreme. o_O
Except that what he stated about the total costs of union
workers in Detroit had nothing to do with taxes or what you're
talking about. He's simply saying that the union auto workers
had pay, benefits, vacations, pensions, etc that put the total cost to
company at over $70 an hour. Their non-union rivals had
costs that were closer to $40 an hour. That has nothing to
do with some dummy turning down overtime because of taxes.
On Wed, 13 Mar 2013 11:48:59 -0700 (PDT), " email@example.com"
Hey dipshit, howya doing? And why the fuck are you talking about
bullshit I never addressed in this post? Because you're a dipshit?
I was addressing the overtime vs taxes issue. Clear as day.
Only a dipshit like you can't see that.
But I have a solution to what ails you.
Go fuck yourself.
It's clear that what you brought up, rejecting working overtime
because some dummies think it's not worth it because of allegedly
taxes, isn't what DD was talking about. He was talking about Detroit
labor costs at $70+ an hour killking the auto companies. And no
amount of vulgarity is going to change that. I'd say that puts you in
with the dummies, dummy.
It's just bullshit. Propaganda. I was a semi-skilled UAW worker for
about 9 years. Mostly running heavy presses, heavy shears, and
8-torch cutting machines. IH Tractor Works (bulldozers) in Chicago
and Melrose Park, IL.
My jobs always paid "premium" wages compared to about 90% of the jobs
there. Only skilled trades guys made more, and not a lot more.
Most I made was about 6 bucks an hour, while others were doing 4.5 to
5.5 an hour. All wages were known. No secrets.
About 1971 we struck for a week.
I read in the Chicago Tribune the average worker is making 28 an hour
with benefits. Complete and total bullshit.
So unless the writer quotes a contract showing wages and company
contributions towards benefits, and does correct math, I don't believe
any of it.
Does the "wage" figure include SS taxes, workers comp, unemployment
insurance? Those aren't wages. They're company expenses.
How many actual company expenses are jammed in to inflate the wage
Does the "wage and benefits" number account for pension underfunding?
Will the pension even be there at retirement?
Are the CEO's gold shower curtains worked into the hourly wage number?
You get the picture.
# Who wrote that? One of your tea leafs?
Didn't you actually READ the article ?
The answers to your question would have been obvious had you done so.
# Capitalists got greedy, short termism ran riot.
# GM had to turn to the taxpayer to bail them out.
# Capitalism failed.
You're confused again
It was the UNIONS that got greedy
But then you're so stupid you can't even read a cite that proves you wrong.
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