Please note that using water in a toilet does NOT "waste" it (pun!). It is returned to nature where evaporation will separate it again, forming rain, ... In fact withholding water from the environment is how you create deserts! Use water. Enjoy life with out fear.
Agreed. I have two of them. They work well inspite of being only 1.2 gpf as required by the People Republic of Mass.
You say they have low volume toilets but walk 5km for water????
PIPES, dear friends, will move water from here to there.
It's not so bad. CA has many solar desalinization plants. I'm familiar with the ones around San Francisco Bay. They've been in use for 30 years and work quite well.
You don't have to control people. Just build pipes and aqueducts. Even the ancient Romans knew that.
You embarrass yourself.
I agree. Hang on to that old toilet as they are not available anymore and you can't go back to one when you find how much trouble the new ones are. To address excess water use just use less water for urine by carefully partially flushing manually or get one of those two stage flushers.
Yeah, right. It always rains in the same place that the water evaporates!
According to your fantasies, the US midwest water table should be the same now as it was 100 years ago. It ain't. Guess what - water extracted in one place may end up as rain somewhere else! Duh!
Only an idiot would propose cleaning up lots of sewage loaded water when they can save money and time by only having to process a little.
Mike
Where on Earth did I say anything about them having toilets?
And _you_ will pay for it, right?
Desalination is one of, if not the, most expensive way to get fresh water. Maybe you should actually learn something about water treatment and the associated costs before blathering on.
Mike
CA's got solar desal plants?? Please show your sources! Tom Work at your leisure!
I mean commercially viable stuff...The kind of thing the greater L.A. area can use. Tom Work at your leisure!
Flushing three times with a new toilet is a myth. I had one before I moved and wish I had one now. The old (13 years) water waster I have now is a very lazy flusher and often has to be flushed twice. The Kohler Wellworth that I had in my previous house never had to be flushed more than once. I had it for only two years before moving, but am sure it paid for itself in savings on water usage. Here it isn't an issue as I don't pay by usage, but I am considering replacing the old one just to get something that flushes properly.
Very wrong.
Where I live, combined charges for water and sewage, which is based on water usage, add up to $.77 per 100 gallons.
Bob
The problem is that some folks have difficulty with a poorly made product and then claim that _all_ of them are no good. There are poor quality old style toilets too, but those are conveniently ignored for the discussion.
When I was in Finland a couple of years ago, I found they used dual flush 2/4 liter toilets that worked very well. In North America, folks whine about 6l flush toilets. There are some excellent 6l flush toilets on the market here - you just have to shop wisely.
Mike
It occurs to me to wonder whether some people are trying to use low-flush tanks with older bowls. I can see that that could be a problem if the older ones relied on brute force (i.e., sheer volume of water) rather than smarter design and full glazing.
MB
On 08/26/04 11:01 am Mortimer Schnerd, RN put fingers to keyboard and launched the following message into cyberspace:
Forget high efficiency toilets and get happy with your old toilet. It flushes better than any high efficiency one you are likely to put in its place and is potentially more efficient as well.
Just cut the rubber bubble beneath your new non-leaking flapper enough to cause a siphon for urine uses and hold it longer for bowel movements. (the bubble float-holds the flap up until the tank nearly empties.) If you accidently cut the bubble too much - as in removing it alltogether - just hold it longer, enough to start the siphon flush necessary to carry off urine.
It takes the same amount of effort to purify 1 gallon of water as it does 10 gallons. It what's IN the water that gets treated.
Everybody lives in an area with potable water. Without potable water, they die.
What makes you think it's wasted? When you burn Hydrogen in the presence of Oxygen, you get fresh water. All other water is used water.
Hmmm. At a difference of 2.4 gallons per flush and $3/1000 gallons, you'll save about seven-tenths of a cent per flush. The cheap toilet, $75, should pay for itself in a little over 10,000 flushes. Assuming 3 flushes per day per person, that's 9 person/years.
A family of 3 could save enough water to pay for the new toilet in but three years - for the cheap toilet. For the more expensive toilet, twelve years. Less, of course, the opportunity cost of investing the $75 - $300 in the stock market. The actual difference could be millions.
That'd get an F in the water treatment course I took getting my engineering degree. The water gets treated - unless you know of a magical way to separate the water from what's in it.
There's the cost of the pipes that have to be sized for the water, the pumps, the filters...
Mike
Kohler (Wellworth) Highline "Comfort height" toilet. About 2" higher than a standard toilet. Had 3 in the last house and 3 more in this new one. $ 150.00 @ Lowes or HD
I put one in for my mother, she is very pleased. Especially with the increased height. But put in a good flapper as you install it. Hers is only about 4 months installed, already 'flushing itself'.
I have to second this. We have this model and are happy with it. Another low flow we have regularly clogs. Two or 3 people we know have also purchased this model upon our recommendatuions and are also happy.
Jonathan
"Michael Baugh" wrote
I put "one in" for your mother, too. She was VERY pleased!!!!
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