Welding is very dangerous

[kfvorwerk]

Which Ultralight helicopter and how did it perform? I'm interested in them but will probably never be able to afford one. Karl

[Stuart Fields]

< Which Ultralight helicopter and how did it perform? I&#39;m interested in them but will probably never be able to afford one. Karl

Karl: It was the Mosquito Air and I was thoroughly impressed with the stability and control. I only had about 10 minutes with it so I didn&#39;t fly it high and try some autorotations but I did hover and air taxi the thing from one end of the airport to the other. Stu

[Mark Dunning]

Invoking one of the Supremes is useless in the discussion.

4/9ths of them couldn&#39;t even interpret the 2dn Amendment correctly.

Mark

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[Jim Chandler]

The generally accepted definition of a "human being" is one that is viable, i.e. able to live outside the womb on its own. The legal definition varies from state to state but that is generally what is used. If the fetus is far enough along to survive but hasn&#39;t been delivered, some states consider it a viable human and a person can be charged with murder for killing it.

Jim

[Ed Huntress]

You know what I find interesting about that? That was pretty much the definition in western society and churches for close to 2,000 years, before the 1840s or so (1869 for the Catholic Church).

Somebody started thinking, around 1820 and for the next half-century, that all those earlier Christians were wrong, and that the system of rights that evolved from English common law into the "rights of Englishmen," and eventually our Bill of Rights, also was just all wrong on the subject.

"Quickening," "doctrine of delayed ensoulment," etc. -- it all said about the same thing. Abortion is acceptable until what we would now call sometime around the middle of the second trimester.

The Catholic Church, despite what has been said by Cardinal Egan and many others, only opposed abortion unevenly before 1869. And the reason they opposed it was not because of the life of the fetus. It was because an aborted pregnancy was prima facie evidence of sex that was performed for a reason other than procreation. The mother was assigned penance because she sinned in sex, not because she committed homicide. Period.

-- Ed Huntress

[Al Patrick]

Here&#39;s what the Bible says about a fetus - Jeremiah.

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations. KJV

[John R. Carroll]

I&#39;m sure you could find similar in the Quaran. Fortunately the framers of the United States Constitution didn&#39;t create a Theocracy. You know, like Iraq has now done with our blessing and Iran did when they threw out the Shah.

You aren&#39;t an advocate of Sharia Law for America are you?

[pyotr filipivich]

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner Asch wrote on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:31:31 -0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

Egad, how progressive of you! Not like when I was a boy!

Oh, wait, I see. A bit of moderation. Glad to see you hadn&#39;t abandoned all that had kept the Roman Empire strong in its heyday. That had been Roman law for most of the Republic and the early days of the empire: the Pater Familias could have any son killed for whatever reason, regardless of the boy&#39;s age. Interesting detail, though. Apparently, you couldn&#39;t just "bump off" an adopted son. The Law gave him a more protected status. Makes a kind of sense.

Anyway, Remember, the ACLU has fought in court and won the right to starve useless mouths. So they have served some useful function - for certain values of "useful."

tschus pyotr

-- pyotr filipivich "I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender whether they served zombies he said, ?Sure, what&#39;ll you have?&#39;" from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

[kfvorwerk]

Stu Thanks for the reply and info. I&#39;m looking it up now. Karl

[Sevenhundred Elves]

As usual, I&#39;m stunned by the depth and variety of knowledge on RCM. This time, I, for once, might be able to add something that perhaps was unknown to the group:

In traditional astrology, the horoscope (natal chart) was to be made for the moment when the baby took its first breath, because, supposedly, with the first breath, the soul entered the body. I don&#39;t think the astrologers would have dared to hold this opinion if it had been in opposition to the doctrine of the Church.

Unfortunately I can&#39;t give sources for this, as it was a long time since I came across this odd piece of information.

S.

[Ed Huntress]

Verrrrry interesting. I&#39;ll keep that one in mind to look into some time.

-- Ed Huntress