I used one with a rubber collar it went bad in a week and stunk up the
bathroom, the 10 other toilets in the apts we used wax rings and are
fine, Regular Wax rings put in right last and last so why experiment.
I used one on my last replacement. I'll never go back to wax again.
Ransley's comment is the first one I have ever heard of that bad-
I suspect it won't be all that long before the wax ones will be used
only on non-standard drain pipes.
Couple of years ago (at least) we had the toilet up for bathroom
renovations and used a foam rubber ring device instead of wax seal;
also recall we had to take it up once to adjust something and then put
toilet back using the same foam rubber ring.
Worked fine ever since.
Used to keep a spare wax seal in the bathroom cupboard but not sure if
I have one there now.
Certainly seems to be the way to go.
I used one during a bathroom remodel where I had to take the toilet
out about a dozen times. Worked great.
Made the removal/install a 5 minute job instead of a 1/2 hour to
[I don't think mine was Fernco, though it was black rubber.]
I've only had trouble with wax once in my life so I was not inclined
to spend $10 to replace a $1 item- but the ease of removal &
replacement made me try it. I'll probably use it on my other
toilet when/if the time comes.
I don't understand the problem with wax. They have been proven in use
for a really long time. I have never had or seen a failure. And it takes
30 seconds to scrape off the old one if you need to pull the toilet for
some reason (just did it last week in an apartment I own to install new
Technology moves on. That there was nothign wrong....etc does not
mean that something better can't come along.
One advantage to the waxless... You can pull and replace a toilet
without dicking around with the very messy wax seal. They are
re: I don't understand the "very messy" part.
Well, "very messy" is all relative. I'm not taking sides, just hoping
to help you "understand".
With a wax ring, you have to dispose of the wax and clean your putty
knife. Somewhere along the way you got wax on your hands or some
other surface, which now has to be cleaned. You might have to use a
bag or something to keep the wax and whatever you used to clean the
putty knife from messing up the garbage can. You probably had to find
some newspapers or something to put the toilet on to keep any wax from
getting on the floor. etc. etc.
Measured against not having to deal with any of that, one might
consider that "very messy".
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