I need to solve a water drainage problem. I need a source for pipe or
tubing that will not break when the standing water in it freezes.
It doesn't matter if it freezes. I just need it to not break. It will
be run100 feet horizontal just under the surface of the lawn.
Rubber hose run through a PVC conduit?
good suggestion, aren't many pipe materials that will expand about
5% (10% along th ee pipe axis) without cracking or rupturing.
Most plastics used for pipe yield at ~2% expansion
Polybutyl? (PB) might work....but I'd test it first.
On Mon, 09 Oct 2006 15:12:58 -0400, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Is it gravity fed to open air? In that case, most times it
will be empty anyway. It will only freeze up when the
underground part (or downhill end) is below freezing when
the water supply isn't.
Unless the end is plugged, even if it's cracked, water should
prefer flosing in the pipe to working it's way out into the ground.
You'd get enough to encourage root-growth in that direction,
but you shouldn't get a bog.
Unless you just like to see a lot of posts, don't make
us pry the relevent details out of you. Where are you?
(What climate). Where is the water coming from,
and how much of it is there? Where are you trying to
get the water to go? What's the intervening terrain?
Is there power available?
There is no downhill end. It is horizontal and will have standing
water in it.
The present system makes a bog. That is why I need a pipe that will
This post is an attempt to see if there are any realistic solutions
to an existing broken drain pipe system. This is not my system but
my uphill neighbors system. If I can come up with an easy solution
for his water drainage system it will end my water bogged back yard.
If not I will have to go to court to get it solved, but for now I am
just looking for an easy way for my neighbor to fix his problem.
Yes but the OP asked a vey specfic questions.......IMO the wrong one
Your "problem description" (until ~10+ back & forth posts, guesses,
questions) has been incomplete & vague.
If you want good viable soltuons you have to lay out the situation so
people can understand, analyze & solve it.
I don't understand how water draining from your "uphill" (how much
uphill?) neighbor's yard to a storm dran can have standing water &
create a "bog"
Got to have blockage and / or a "low spot" in the run. Drains are not
supposed to have standing water...mosquitoes!
Based on your peicemeal description:
don't worry about freezing, bigger pipe is better (3"+) , a 1" line in
the application will not work, correct the slope issues so you have no
standing water (no standing water, no freezing issues) , correct any
blockage or potential for blockage.
A hundred foot run isn't thatn far but you need ~2' of fall along that
length to get reiable flushing flow.
Fix the problem correctly.......like someone said plumbers (actually a
landscape guy) are cheaper than attorneys (plus the result will be
much more satisfying)
good luck YMMV
The details of where or why are irrelevant. I could be in need of
tubing or piping that will not break when standing water was left in
it for use on the moon. It wouldn't make any difference. I still need
the pipe, and that is all that I was asking for.
Not necessarily. "Right answer to the wrong question."
An open-ended Sch 40 or above steel pipe isn't going to split (ultimate
burst pressure is roughly 8000 psi), but it still isn't necessarily the
solution to the problem as described. The pressure will relieved along
the length before it actually splits.
I don't have data for solid-wall PVC handy, but I'd be pretty confident
large diameter Sch 40 won't either, and quite comfortable w/ Sch 80.
But, still doesn't sound like it's the way to get rid of your problem.
Would seem far better to either divert the water from above around the
property or if that's not possible/practical, provide adequate grade
for the runoff or an open drainage system of some sort (not necessarily
not covered, just not solid pipe subject to the freezing problems).
Seems as though you're fixated on the pipe and not willing to consider
alternatives nor providing sufficient data/information to elicit really
useful responses other than conjectures of what the situation _might_
Saw an episode on "Ask TOH" just a few weeks ago of very similar nature
on an buried drain---solution again had little specifically to do with
the drain itself but I could easily envision that homeowner asking
essentially the same question that wouldn't have elicited the response
to come and look at the actual problem and get a fix.
I have no power to advise a neighbor on how to do the job correctly.
That advise would range from no underground plumbing at all to an
elaborate expensive re-engineering/re-installation job.That type of
advice can only be given by a judge if it goes that far.
The only thing I can do is see if there is an alternative unbreakable
pipe that can simply replace the existing broken one. I might be able
to convince the neighbor to do this simple inexpensive job. Even
though doing this is a jimmy rigged solution to a faulty design it
still satisfies my problem of an artificial bogg forming in my back
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