I have a 35 year old house and am having the floors finished Mon. One section
of the floor squeeks really badly. When you step on the floor you can actually
see the flooring move. I opened the ceiling up underneeth this section and it
loos to me as if one 4 X 8 sheet of plywood subfloor has gone bad. when I press
up on it it sqeeks. The main problem seems to localized above this piece of
wood. I have tried screwing 1 1/4 inch sheetrockscrews up into the plywood to
try to hold grab the floorboards tighter butit does no good. It feels as if the
layers on the plywood have even seperated. There is also about ac1/8 of an inch
gap between the floor joists and the plywood in this area. I tried shimming it
but it dows no good. The plywood is not even nailed into the beams. when they
built the house they missed all the beams in that section by about 1/4 inch.
any sugestions on how I can fix this without rippig up the floor ?
On 23 Jul 2003 01:25:42 GMT, email@example.com (Robwjm2) wrote:
What you do really depends on your priorities. I've gone through
similar decisions in the past myself.
If you really love the house and want things "right," call the
finishers and delay the project. Don't take it personally if they seem
annoyed, just tell them you found a structural deficiency that needs
to be corrected first.
Given that the subfloor has delaminated, is not properly attached to
the floor joists (what you're calling the beams), and therefore not
providing proper support for the wood flooring, the "right=expensive"
way to fix it is to get a flooring contractor (or yourself if you're
1. map out the affected area from joist to joist in both directions.
2. remove the hardwood flooring, salvaging as much as possible.
3. remove the subfloor.
4. install (screw and glue) a new section of subfloor with subfloor
grade plywood (not the ACX-grade crap) that bargain installers use.
5. re-install the hardwood flooring, substituting new pieces of the
same wood where necessary.
6. Sand and finish the floor.
There are intermediate solutions also, such as replacing the affected
areas of subfloor from beneath, and side nailing then into the floor
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firstname.lastname@example.org wrote in message
I can't disagree with doing the job right. However, if it's a small
area you could eliminate the squeak by using shims over the floor
joists. I guarantee you they are doing that in brand new houses where
they have a complaint after the finish floor is installed.
If you are actually refinishing the floors, then you should absolutely tear
up the bad section (if you can afford it) and replace the subfloor as
suggested. If the plywood has really not delaminated (I'm not sure how you
have concluded that this is the case), you could possibly get away with just
screwing the old subfloor securely to the joists. But if the plywood is
flexing and sagging between joists, then yes, it is useless and you won't
ever have a satisfactory floor if you don't replace it. A floor that flexes
and moves around is going to be a never-ending source of annoyance as well
as something that a potential buyer of the house (should you ever want to
sell) is very likely to notice.
Assuming that the flooring is a standard type (2 1/4" wide 3/4" thick strip
flooring), it is pretty easy to find stuff that will blend in, and you could
do the re-flooring yourself. Once the room is sanded and refinished, it
will look fine.
Go to a good flooring or hardware store. Not the big box store.
There are a large variety of fasteners for just this purpose, that
will attach from below and fasten things down better. Which one you
get depends on what kind of problems you have (warping, broken screws,
It's tough to do it from below, but there are ways to help.
Andrew L. Duane (JOT-7) email@example.com
HP/Compaq Corporation firstname.lastname@example.org
email@example.com (Andrew Duane USG) wrote in message
The poster said he tried to screw from below and found the plywood
wouldn't hold. Some of those storebought contraptions might not hold
either. The Rheimer floor repairman I know just uses wood shims which
will work even if the plywood is delaminated. This would be a 10" job
if he has access as he does.
Is the floor carpeted? I have had some success using coated
finishing nails through the carpeting. I carefully moved the
fibers aside and pound the nail through the backing. A punch
can help push the nail the last few 1/16 inches. Warning, my
carpet was 1970s shag, so a tight weave might not work as well.
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