That pretty much says it might theoretically be possible, not that
anyone has actually done it.
You can still reload the firmware if it did get clobbered.
I would suspect that you just had another bad Caviar drive to add to
my magnet collection if I saw it and it failed the data lifeguard
tests. The answer would be in the error code.
On Feb 14, 2:49 pm, email@example.com wrote:
Maybe. That would depend on what was left of the
drive firmware. If there are no smarts at all, seems unlikely that
your going to reload it's firmware through just the standard
interface used by the PC.
On Feb 14, 4:16 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Because the drive has to have enough of the correct
fimware so that it can recognize the necessary commands,
receive the new firmware, and program it into the drive's
flash. If you wipe out all the firmware on the drive,
it's just a brick.
I suspect most of the drive firmware is initially loaded via an ICP type
hardware port with a specialty programmer, while firmware updates rely
on the existing firmware being functional to enable the PC side
interface to be used to load a new image. If I'm correct, reloading
firmware on a damaged drive would require the proper programmer hardware
module and software to run it.
What kind of anti-virus were you using?
On my daughter's machine, Avast threw a warning once but my macho
son-in-law just *had* to click the button that said "Ignore this
warning" and the system got hosed beyond recovery.
It wasn't a Trojan, but a bad USB controller that moved me to a backup
scheme where at least a couple of my backup drives are not readily
available - i.e. I have to drive to get to them.
That way, when things go really South, and it hasn't dawned on me yet
that something is hosing my backups as I attach them in an effort to
recover... the non-availability will hopefully save me from myself.
I also have a rule - which I will hopefully have the presence of mind to
follow - that once I am down to a single backup, I will never, *ever*
attach it to the problem PC. Instead, I will make copies on another PC
and use the copies.
The easy way to do this is download Disk Wizard from Seagate/Maxtor
and clone your C: drive. Store it somewhere and when you get some
strange crash you have a good starting point. You can just store a
disk image, you don't need a spare drive but that does make an easier
fix. Refresh this clone periodically.
In that regard it is best to keep your C: drive as small as possible
and keep your data files on another drive. Data is simple to back up
and restore. The C: drive is harder to restore because of the way
Windoze installs software. You really need a cloned drive.
I use drive imaging utilities.
Started out with one of the many DOS utilities, moved to something
called "ShadowProtect" for reasons that probably are not of interest
But, for me, losing the "System" drive isn't all that big a deal -
because I keep my data on a separate drive/partition. It's the data
backups that I am so obsessive about. I can rebuild a system.....
Rebuilding a system drive is a pain in the ass. You have to track down
all the install disks, the secret codes and such. Then you need to go
through the applications and get all the configurations the way you
like them, restore the cookies with all of your passwords and install
all the updates. Data is a whole lot easier. You just copy it over and
you are done.
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 16:23:30 -0500, email@example.com wrote:
This allows you to restore to a new drive quickly - but if the
microcode on a drive goes bad, it is going to be pretty difficult to
get the clone back onto the dead drive. There are likely programs
available similar to the old "low level format" used on MFM and RLL
drives - but they will be VERY specific - kinda like the low level
format was specific to both drive and controller back in the early
On Thu, 14 Feb 2013 23:15:58 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I've seen drives fail from bad microcode - but there was no virus
involved - and the drives were not field recoverable. The MPG series
Fujitsu comes to mind. The earlier Japanese Fujitsu drives were
bulletproof. They started building the MPG series in Thailand and the
failure rate within warrantee went up to aproxemately 75%, and one
year out of warranty closer to 90%. It put Fujitsu out of the desktop
computer hard drive business in a rather spectacular fashion.
On 2/15/2013 11:08 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Back in the 90's I was building and selling a lot of white box computers
and one of my suppliers started selling a very inexpensive
line of hard drives manufactured in India. I don't remember the name
of the darn things but an unusual amount of curse words often drowned
out the actual name whenever anyone dared mention the accursed things. ^_^
On Sat, 16 Feb 2013 00:46:49 -0600, The Daring Dufas
I remember those abortions as well - and have forever deleted the name
from my memory. About half the price of it's next competition, and
about (being really optimistic hear) 1/10 the quality. Made by Tata
perhaps??? The first "nano-drive"
On Feb 14, 10:57 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I wouldn't bet on that. How do you talk to something when there
is no one home? The drive has to have enough valid firmware to
enable it to recognize commands. If you screw with that, I don't
ee how you're going to get new code into it with the drive in a
normal PC. I would think it
would then require connecting to the drive with a special programming
adapter of some kind to put the code into it, if that is even
You would think that the drives would be built so that the firmware
could not be changed. But apparently according to that previous
post citing a drive manufacturer, it is theoretically possible to
screw with the firmware. Now that he's told the world it's possible,
it's probably raised the level of interest for hackers.....
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