The problem with that argument is that war has been a continuous and ongoing
process in the Middle-East ever since Mohammed got started.
The US, Israel, or even your boogie-man neo-cons had nothing to do with it.
Learn some history instead of spouting some ignorant ideological cant
On Mon, 18 Feb 2013 17:10:07 -0600, "Attila Iskander"
I know plenty of history. This particular problem started when we
allowed displaced European Jews to occupy Palestinian territory after
WWII instead of just making the Germans and French give them their
property back ... and maybe a little more.
Unfortunately that would not have helped us pacify Germany.
I believe they did owe the Jews massive reparations but we did not
make the Germans pay, we made the Palestinians pay and they have been
paying more and more every year since.
The new settlements on the West Bank are a threat to world peace and
it is just a matter of time before it spins out of control.
It certainly does not help that we are quickly losing all the North
African dictators who we have been paying off for a half century to
When the Muslim Brotherhood takes over Syria, Jordan and the Emirates
it is, game over.
All it would really take is for them to forge an alliance with China,
for the oil, and the west would be powerless to stop them if they
wanted to kick the Israelis off the west bank ... unless we really had
WW<pick a number>.
It would be an economic war, a war we lose. China can crush us by
simply redeeming their bonds instead of rolling them over.
Of course China could drive up interest rates by simply trying to sell
our debt, making US bonds a glut on the market. How much quantitative
easing (buying up un sellable bonds with printed money) can we stand
before we see rampant inflation?
On Feb 18, 7:23 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Who exactly is this "we"? You make it sound like Palestine was
a peaceful place where everyone was getting along just fine until
some Jews from post WWII Europe showed up. The region had
been in conflict for a long time. While it's true there was a large
additional migration of Jews there after WWII, Jews had already
been migrating their for decades prior. And the area was in conflict,
as far back as WWII and after, when under British rule.
The Palestinians were fighting the British, the Jews, etc.
To be sure, the arrival of more Jews didn't help, but it's incorrect
to trace the origins of the problem to the aftermath of WWII
Again, who is this "we"? It was Russia that proposed the
resolution in the UN for Israeli statehood.
I agree that the one thing that Isarel is doing that isn't helfpful
is building more settlements. But if you compare that to the
Palestinian position, which has been and continues to be that
Israel doesn't have a right to exist, it's not the major problem.
Which seems to indicate that you recognize which side in
this conflict is really the loons.....
The oil market is fungible. Jordan and Syria don't have
oil that amounts to anything. The UAE is a very westernized
and wealthy country. The chance of nut case Muslims taking it
over isn't likely. Even if they did, the rest of the scenario makes
I don't know, but we seem to be doing that right now, without
regard to what China does or doesn't do. There would be severe
repercussions for China if they ever attempted such a thing.
We are their largest trading partner and they would be killing
the value of their own investiment in the process. For what,
again exactly? To help the Palestinians? Like China gives a
On Feb 20, 2:09 am, email@example.com wrote:
Real elections? Who is denying the Palestinians the right
to real elections? They had elections and they chose Hamas, did they
not? And that was after Israel unilaterally
withdrew from Gaza. So, Israel made a big concession
which could have been a step towards a lasting peace and
it was met by the Palestinians electing those that call for
the destruction of Israel. That and then using Gaza to
launch rockets into Israel. Funny how you see Israel building some
more houses as a big deal, but don't
seem to recognize what the Palestinians are doing that
is 100X worse.
On Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:06:48 -0500, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Not true at all. The most fervent neocons are Christians.
BTW I am going to have a first hand report about exactly what is going
on in the West bank next month. My father in law is off on a 3 week
Bible study pilgrimage to all of the holy sites. Most are on the West
On Feb 21, 1:27 am, email@example.com wrote:
You should go yourself.
You should also advise him to wear a (Canadian) maple leaf. So folks
don't think he is from the US. Lots of people hate USAians. Even Brits
can't tell the difference between the accents.
And lodge with Arabs, much nicer people in my experience.
So you see Canada IS useful.
# They (Jews) are the root of all the problems in the ME.
Maybe in the minds of fascists like you..
But do explain to us how Jews are the problem in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY that
has muslims and strife ?
Just to name a few..
And many of those countries have NO JEWS AT ALL, since they have been driven
out or killed by the muslims there.
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