On Jan 26, 7:19 pm, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Here where I live in NJ they have electronic water meters buried at
street. The town does drive-bys to read them. It's much faster
as they don't even have to get out of the car or even come to
On 01-26-2013 20:11, email@example.com wrote:
Mine's in the basement near the floor. It amazes me that the signal
passes through eight inches of concrete with a rebar grid in it, then
through twenty feet of gravelly clay, four feet of air, and the metal
body of a van, yet is powered by something that never needs its
While my Sprint WiFi-enabled cell phone couldn't maintain a connection
with thirty inches of air between it and the WiFi router.
thats the physics of bitrate...
the water meter has to send a few bytes of data and has hours to do
your wifi sends Mbytes of data every second..
the new water meters are interesting, a few months ago we had a note
on our water bill informing us that one of our toilets is
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:11:39 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
I'll bet that's what they're doing. They said they had a "smart grid"
but I don't think the infrastructure was in place yet. They were
adding Internet service to their "smart grid" but that's a couple of
years off. Meanwhile I'll bet they're doing drive-bys. I'm pretty
sure the meter is in a pit in the front yard. The irrigation system
is in that general direction, too.
I hear ya'. The water, sewer, garbage, and electricity are all run by
the city but there are two separate entities (water/sewer,
electric/garbage) doing the work. They want to use one grid for
collection but it'll probably be an Abbot and Costello movie in the
making with them tripping over each other (and the new Internet
I can't wait, though the city is fairly well run, otherwise.
Not really... The peak field reading drop off is a function of 1/2
@900mhz), propogation speed through various mediums, and antenna
between inverse squared, and inverse cubed.).
I've worked with RF from 100KHz to GHz for near 50 years. I defy you to
produce sufficient power to induce a RF burn with < 0.6 watt input (RF
output is down by 50%+)
Have you read those studies? Much less reviewed the reputations of the folk
running them or the protocols set up for them? Hint I attended the hearings
in Washington and visited some of the research as it was being conducted.
In part true but to what end? Unless the do-bad has a personal hard on for
the home owner what could be accomplished other than turning off the power?
Which depending on how the system was configured could be automatically
switched back on in short order?
Could be but the first time a utility or the manufacturer is caught at that
game ... FILM AT 6 & 11 and every 1/2 hour for the rest of the week.
Any PV system connected to the grid MUST HAVE UTILITY approval and
inspection (I've done a few). If not as soon as it's found out the service
is cut and WILL NOT BE RESTORED until there is a proctor scope examination
of the electrical system on the entire property. Fees and fines must be
paid in advance.
Power meters do not read power factor/phase change they ONLY read true power
delivered. Power factor changes are only applied to large industry
customers and this to the extent that the charges are interned to educate
the user to address and adjust the power factor losses up the line. (The
process is taugh in Power 101 levels of EE classes at every decent
Power meters are directional. Long time back a bunch of rural stump jumpers
figured that out and went to flipping the meters. Got away with it until
one or two forgot to switch them back before the meter reader showed up.
They also firuged out that a Dasey BB gun could shoot a small hole in the
glass cover that they could stick a straw though to stop the meter. The
result was one hell of a hard (BB proff) glass cover over the meter.
Likely a tariff item and just as likely to be continued until the users
contact the regulators.
Expect a lot of wild a** justification claims on the part of the utility for
the need for those fees.
Want a real case of the GoGoLaRough (red a**) take a look at your phone and
cable bill. Then follow the various fees. More than a few have no basis
in law, tarriff or logic save in the mind of some creative manager in the
Did the rep mention the potential vulnerability of the meters to electronic
tampering to make them useless? Yes they are and to be honest the industry
has not quite gotten a handle on that problem (see stump jumpers above)
saving grace is none of the end users have (yet) figured it out either.
You'd be out on your butt and the court house steps by summery. That is on
the assumption you could find a qualified lawyer to take the case.
"The Chamber continues to see suspicious activity, they say.
A thermostat at a town house the Chamber owns on Capitol Hill
at one point was communicating with an Internet address in China,
they say, and, in March, a printer used by Chamber executives
spontaneously started printing pages with Chinese characters."
Not likely to happen to a homeowner via an electric meter, but still
Is it an on-line compliment to call someone a Net Wit ?
I heard a rumour about the Texas woman who shot a power meter with
a gun. The rumour is she said this to the judge.
"Sheeit your Honour... them smart meters ain't smart... ah pointed
my gun at mine and it didn't duck!"
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