"[NAPERVILLE, IL] Two vocal opponents of Naperville’s initiative to install
wireless electric meters on homes were arrested this afternoon after
interfering with the installation process... Police are accompanying crews
this week as they install smart meters at homes that previously sent away
Who will protect our precious bodily fluids?
I live in Naperville. I have met Jennifer Stahl one time when I
picked up something she was recycling. She seems normal enuf, but
there is a lot the press has missed.
First, most of the objectors don'tr understand radio waves. They
organize their protests about radio waves using their cellphones. We
had had wireless water meters for 10+ years, nobady seems to know or
Second, the objectors are worried about privacy. These claims are
legitimate. The City claimed the system was safe/unhackable. Then,
a couple of months ago, the City of Naperville, which runs the
electric distribution department, was hacked and their entire e-mail
and other internal systems were shut down while they spent $100,000
for a consultant to fix the system (for now). So the claims are
legitimate. But, unless they are growing Pot under grow lights at 3
am, who cares if the City knows when you use electricity and when you
Stay tuned. this is going to be fun to watch!!!
On Jan 24, 2:30 pm, "hr(bob) firstname.lastname@example.org"
I have one installed at a vacation cabin and I can log onto
the system from my residence, which is
about 150 miles away, and download the power useage in 15 minute
increments for any period of interest. It is very comforting
to be at my residence and know for a fact that no one
is using electricity at the other place, and that I have
remembered to unplug the fridge, turn off the air,
and turn off the hot water heater...... since it would be
a real pain to make a trip there just to throw a couple
switches and I would worry until I went back...
The power company charges an extra $2 or $3 a month
for the "advanced meter" and I have no choice about
it, but I also have no objection.
I have nothing against smart meters, in fact I want on because the power
company is able to offer Time based rates. I use most power in the evening
not during the day so I should be able to enjoy a cost savings.
So the question is.... to the folks out there that now have smart meters...
Is your power company offering you TIME OF DAY DISCOUNT RATES...
That's what is supposed to be the benefit for us little guys...
On Friday 25 January 2013 01:01 The Daring Dufas wrote in alt.home.repair:
Ah - but he can pull some serious misdirection now. All he needs is a diesel
He should use the grid as normal when he visits to establish a pattern.
if he needs to "hide" he simply does not use the grid, but runs up the genny
- and of course leaves his mobiles on and on charge at home.
The spooks are now "sure" that he cannot be in his cabin. They might wonder,
if they cannot get a positive obo on him back in the city, but the
misdirection could buy him a few days or even weeks, depending on how hard
they are looking...
If he didn't have a smart meter, and they wanted to watch him, they might
well stake the place out or put some other monitoring in that he doesn't
Well, they might anyway, but given the smart meter, they might not - and the
PP at least knows about that. You get the idea anyway...
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"History will be kind to me for I intend to write it."
That's why GPS jammers are so useful when you hop in your car so your
smart phone can't tattle on you. One fellow found a tracker under his
car's bumper but instead of destroying it, he stuck it on a long haul
I thoroughly believe that the citizenry should use technology to defeat
the technology of government and commercial snoops. I spent so many
years scrambling information on me that was in government and private
databases that I had trouble convincing a credit card company that I
actually existed. It is fun to exercise your right to privacy and watch
the confusion on the dossier collectors faces when they try to pin you
down or categorize you. I use private mail box services and don't get
mail or packages where I live, VoIP and prepaid cellphones pinned to my
private mailbox for an address. Privacy is something you have to work
hard for and guard it jealously if you want to keep it. ^_^
The citizens of Naperville have got several valid points.
Privacy..(yet another added risk..)
RF emissions.. (I've seen 900mhz cell phones cause RF burns.. )
Noteable increases in cell phone linked Brain tumors..
There is more too this issue which is yet to be documented..
Prior studies done by cell phone industry don't cut it(bogus testing
haven't been updated for newer tech.(higher frequencies, exotic modulation).
SM have a fairly high transmit duty cycle, since most of these meters are set
ad-hoc mode, and often relay/forward data between hundreds/thousands of other
meters every few minutes.
Reliability/Safety/Tort.. (Power CO can remotely shutdown/turnon customer's
leaving a trace). It's only a mater of time before any encryption protocal
compromised [Just like WEP, WPA. WPA2(have all been cracked)], and other people
Fraud/Tort.. Smart meters can/are being programmed @ the manufacturer to
over charge a large number customers. It is well known that customers with PV
have been double charged for the energy they supplied to the grid. Note: This
affects other non-RE customers to a lessor degree(reactive loads are being
Naperville's bullshit policy of charging 24.95 a month to read a non-smart meter
Let the homeowner read his/her meter each month, and submit the data on a web
Every year or two.. the power co can confirm it..simple,easy, cheap..
P.S. I also refused the installation of one these Bogus smart meters. But I
homework, and talked to GE's field engineering rep about the capibilities and
options of the meters being installed.
Thank god.. I don't live in Naperville, or I would be dragiing these City
I can see hackers selling low power jammers for the darn things and one
could be hidden in the wall near the meter. As long as you don't touch
or physically damage the meter there isn't much the snoops can do. Of
course, I would have a motion detector to turn the jammer off whenever
anyone came around the meter to investigate. ^_^
Put a cell phone 1/4 inch from head and you get a power level depending on
your tower strength. Put it 12 inches away, and it's down 100 times less.
Two feet 400 times less. Four feet 1600 times less.
Not really... The peak field reading drop off is a function of 1/2
@900mhz), propogation speed through various mediums, and antenna
between inverse squared, and inverse cubed.).
In your laundry room? Not common at all. I believe it's unique
(perhaps even very unique). ;-)
A water meter with an antenna? Very common. "Smart meters" are used
nationwide. I had one in my previous house, though I haven't a clue
where it was. Never looked. I probably have one in this house, too,
though I don't care where it is. Paying people to read meters is
On Jan 26, 2:51 pm, email@example.com wrote:
The Naperville water meters are inside at the entrance point of water
through the basement walls. A cable runs from the water meter to a
small box on the outside of the house that is the actual transmitter.
It is about as big as a package of cigarettes. In our case, the
nearest human activity is 3 or 4 feet away in the basement or outside,
except when I cut the grass and am within 1 foot of the transmitter.
But that is for a few seconds 39 times in a year, so I am not too
worried about rf exposure, especially since I do use a cellphone and
worked on Electromagnetic Compatiblity for Bell Laboratories for about
On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 13:40:13 -0800 (PST), " firstname.lastname@example.org"
No basement. The house is built on a slab and the water manifold is
well inside the house (in the laundry on the with the garage between
it and the street). I'm pretty sure the meter is buried in the front
yard so I really don't know where the antenna is but there aren't any
meter readers in the city, either. I'm certainly not worried about
cell phone usage. Given the distance difference (and power levels),
worrying about utility meters is really silly.
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