Went to a demo show on installing patio door by a local rep. I'd noticed the
sliding panel was on the inside (of the house) and the stationary panel on
the outside on the demonstration. I don't remember ever seen the slider on
the inside so was the local rep. had it backwards or is this the new way of
on 10/17/2007 8:48 PM ** Frank ** said the following:
I had a sliding door that was removed after a sun room was built. I now
have 2 sliding doors in the sun room. All 3 sliders were/are on the inside.
Don't know if there is a rule about which goes on the inside, but I
would rather slide the door into a clear track than into a snow filled
on 10/17/2007 9:00 PM willshak said the following:
Another thing I forgot. When the slider is on the inside, you can stick
a piece of broom handle or a piece of wood as a wedge in the track and
the door can not be pried open. Having the slider on the outside would
not allow that.
Good point. And every sliding door in every house I've owned
has presented me with the option of using the broom handle
as an added security measure. FWIW, using standard PVC water
pipe works great and is a lot cheaper.
Therefore, I would guess the slider on the inside is the
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
Pella puts them on the outside. The theory being, if the wind is blowing
against the door, the pressure help seal the door to keep air out as opposed
to pushing it away from the gasket. Mine has been in for about 10+ years
now and I like it a lot.
Yep, they sure do, and it's the poorest excuse for the dumbest design I've
The sliding door on the outside means the screen's on the inside. Crack the
door open to let the breeze blow in, then close the screen. By the end of
the evening, your screen is full of bugs with no way to close the door
without letting all of them in the house.
Hmmmm, interesting logic. However, I don't think it should
be necessary unless the doors are huge and/or excessively
I have two sets of large sliding doors. They're nothing
special -- just what the builder put in when the house
was built 17 years ago. Neither one had leaked, even a
little bit. And the house is on a hill and both doors
face onto a canyon, so they're pretty well exposed to
The fly screens are crap; I should get some replacements.
But the doors look good, slide smoothly, and don't leak
(air or water).
| Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". |
Ok, I've check all the 8 doors in 4 different cities and all are on the
outside with screen outside of everything. Its been like that since 1952 for
the oldest house and the newest one is 1981. I like it on the outside like
you indicated for positive wind pressure. Maintenance wise its better taking
it outside and lay it on the patio rather than inside the house where the
hardwood floor could be damaged or over spray from WD40, oil or grease on
the carpet. I also think breaking into an outside door is more difficult
since you have to go through two doors instead of one.
On 17 Oct, 21:47, firstname.lastname@example.org (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:
Instead of a wooden stick or PVC pipe, which must be moved into and
out of the track each time the door is secured/unsecured, I use two of
the push-button locks that came with my Crestline door. They supplied
one; I doubled up and put one at the bottom and one at the top. I
drilled extra holes in the upper and lower frame so I can open the
door about 9" for ventilation with security. I also removed the sill
bracket and positioned the lock so that more of the steel shaft
extends into the oak sill and top plate.
The lock can be seen at the bottom right of this page:
I agree- the doors here are on the outside, and I hate it. Tracks are
always grunged up, and the one that gets used most has a problem with
rollers jumping off the rail. I'm big enough to manhandle it back on,
but a smaller person could not. (Yeah, I know, I keep meaning to buy a
refurb kit and take it apart, but as long as it seals...)
Other thing I hate is, screen is on wrong side. You can't close weather
door without opening the screen door all the way- not a trivial concern
in mosquito season.
I probably won't have this place long enough to replace them, but would
lean heavily toward big-window french doors instead. Downside to those,
of course, is lost floor space inside for swing and standing room.
But the doors in all commercial establishments must open outward. Fire
regs - a stampede toward the door would trap the people.
As an aside, I would think opening outward for residential doors is equally
Code or no code, all the residential exterior doors I've seen open in. I
want to install an exterior French door open out but than the threshold will
be reversed and the hinges exposed degrading security. Anyway I talk with a
door contractor and he could install with doors open out, so may not be
Exterior doors open out in some foreign countries.
My commercial exterior door swings in and out, handicap approved, hidden
spring loaded for panel to return to close position, panels could remain
open in or out without being latched, heavy duty three point latch with just
a flip of the finger, 1/4" thick temper glass, and build like a tank almost
intrusion proof. I wish doors made this well for residential use.
1. I have an 'outswing' for my entry. It does open into a small
entry porch though.
2. Doors are built for both in and out swing - your choice.
3. Hinges are not a security problem. Out swing have security hinges
and you can make your own by drilling a hole and driving a screw in
that engages a matching hole in the othe leaf. Mine has that system,
both top and bottom hinges.
As far as security goes, out swing is better than in. You can kick in
an in-swing but you have to take out the entire jamb on an outswing.
The out-swing frees up an amazing amount of space inside the room.
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