This door is hard to slide. The track itself looks ok and the door doesn't
drag on the threshold, so I'm guessing the rollers are clogged with pet ha
ir and dirt, etc. I have changed rollers on other doors and in those cases
the door just lifted up and tilted out from the bottom. This one looks to
me like it was installed backwards or something because I cannot lift the
door high enough to get over the bottom lip on the inside and it seems my o
nly option is to remove the stationary pane and tilt it out going the other
way. I cannot seem to figure out how to get the stationary pane out thoug
h. In the last two pics you can see metal plate things at the top and bott
om held on with screws. I have removed these thinking I would be able to s
lide the stationary pane away from the jamb and then tilt it out, but I cou
ldn't get it to budge, and I was afraid of bending something or breaking th
Or does anyone see some other way to get this out this that I'm not seeing?
This is looking at the sliding pane from the inside:
This is a close-up of the bottom lip on the inside. You can see there is n
o way the door will lift high enough to get over this lip:
This is a close-up of the top of the frame from the inside:
This is looking at the lower track from the outside. The right pane is the
slider, the left is stationary:
And this is looking at the upper part of the track from the outside. Right
pane is the slider, left is stationary:
Dumb question, but did you slide the operating half to the same side as the stationary half?
It might lift out from that side. There might be an up-stop screwed into the overhead portion of the track on the closed side of the frame, keeping you from lifting the door out on that side.
On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:00:20 PM UTC-7, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
he stationary half?
o the overhead portion of the track on the closed side of the frame, keepin
g you from lifting the door out on that side.
Yeah, I know what you mean. There's nothing like that. It is just that th
e lip on the bottom is too tall for the amount of clearance between the top
of the slider and the frame. You can actually see the top of the door hit
ting the frame when you lift it and there's still about another 3/8" of lip
Absolutely. And the worst part is when you got it out alone and still
don't realize how heavy it is, and it's an inch from where it was, but
then you try to tip it. It almost went over my arms to crash on the
inside floor. Once I stepped back a few steps I was able to hold it and
lay it down or whatever.
On Mon, 10 Feb 2014 11:00:20 -0800 (PST), email@example.com wrote:
It woudn't have to be screwed in.
I put a piece of broom stick, classic straw broom stick, above my
sliding door, and when I open the door, the broom stick travesl with it.
I'd have to open it part way and push the broom stick out to remove the
You've done the top and bottom clips. The stationary panel is now held in
by a decades worth of crud. Check for old caulk. Lift it with a pry bar.
Once the pry bar ungums it, it will slide towards the middle. From there you
can pick it up and swing the bottom free of the door frame. Et c.
You're doing the right things, just be a little more forceful. This
really isn't a Winter job.
On Monday, February 10, 2014 3:04:49 PM UTC-7, David L. Martel wrote:
Thanks Dave. You seem to be one of the few that bothered to absorb what I
was saying in my original post. I'll have another crack at the stationary
side this weekend. I live in Phoenix so we don't really have "winter" here
. The high this weekend is expected to be 86 so I don't imagine the weathe
r to be a part of the problem I had in getting the door loose. :-)
On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:51:00 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
't drag on the threshold, so I'm guessing the rollers are clogged with pet
hair and dirt, etc. I have changed rollers on other doors and in those cas
es the door just lifted up and tilted out from the bottom. This one looks
to me like it was installed backwards or something because I cannot lift th
e door high enough to get over the bottom lip on the inside and it seems my
only option is to remove the stationary pane and tilt it out going the oth
er way. I cannot seem to figure out how to get the stationary pane out tho
ugh. In the last two pics you can see metal plate things at the top and bo
ttom held on with screws. I have removed these thinking I would be able to
slide the stationary pane away from the jamb and then tilt it out, but I c
ouldn't get it to budge, and I was afraid of bending something or breaking
no way the door will lift high enough to get over this lip:
he slider, the left is stationary:
ht pane is the slider, left is stationary:
I had much the same problem - obviously needed new rollers, not just cleani
ng. Couldn't get it high enough for the rollers to clear the channel - cau
se - sub floor swelled a bit. 3 of us (2 window guys and me) managed to pr
y it far enough. I ground a 'notch' in two spots so the rollers could clea
r to get it out. A few years later I was once again using a hair dryer to
thaw the ice out of the end of the channel with a -20* wind blowing snow do
wn my back. That did it - that sumabitch was ging to disappear when the we
ather warmed up. It did. I swore then that I would never again have a hou
se with one of those abortions. Worse method of closing a hole in a wall t
hat was ever invented. Piss poor insulation around the edge, flimsy locks,
channel a perfect place to collect crude, etc. I now have a door that sea
ls, locks, well insulated and DOES NOT USE ROLLERS.
On Monday, February 10, 2014 10:51:00 AM UTC-8, Dave wrote:
I had much the same problem - obviously needed new rollers, not just
cleaning. Couldn't get it high enough for the rollers to clear the
channel - cause - sub floor swelled a bit. 3 of us (2 window guys and me)
managed to pry it far enough. I ground a 'notch' in two spots so the
rollers could clear to get it out. A few years later I was once again using
a hair dryer to thaw the ice out of the end of the channel with a -20* wind
blowing snow down my back. That did it - that sumabitch was ging to
disappear when the weather warmed up. It did. I swore then that I would
never again have a house with one of those abortions. Worse method of
closing a hole in a wall that was ever invented. Piss poor insulation
around the edge, flimsy locks, channel a perfect place to collect crude,
etc. I now have a door that seals, locks, well insulated and DOES NOT USE
Mr. Harry K said what I could never think to say. Fortunately I've never
owned, nor lived in a home with a sliding glass door. Growing up, and seeing
them at friends homes, I always thought they were the coolest things ever.
After reading this ,and remembering the guilt I felt when it was my turn to
open such a door and inevitably it would jam, or just come off a track and I
felt responsible. Reading all this nonsense has taught me a valuable
lesson.Just say no.
On the other hand, you may be basing your "just say no" on poor
installations and/or cheap doors.
I installed a good quality, insulated glass, aluminum clad wooden sliding
patio door about 20 years ago. Still love it and operate it multiple,
multiple times a day (I have an old dog with bladder problems and a cat who
hates being inside but keeps forgetting how cold it is outside)
It rolls effortlessly, it locks securely with the vertical deadbolt I
added, it doesn't leak air. It just does what it was intended to do: give
us easy access to the deck and not take up any floorspace inside the room
I don't want to sound mean, but based on the pictures from the OP, I could
see why no one would want a sliding glass door. However, if you buy a
quality door and install it correctly, they can provide decades of trouble
On Tuesday, February 11, 2014 11:01:42 AM UTC-8, DerbyDad03 wrote:
My POS was an Anderson door, definitely a quality door, installed in 1984. Replaced the rollers twice, every winter down there with a hair dryer cleaning snow/ice out of the track and cussing the abortion every time. Removed it 20012.
As for a normal door taking up space in the room - install it correctly (opening OUT) solves that. That also makes the house more secure - almost impossible to kick in a door that opens out.
How can you call it a POS and a quality door in the same sentence? That
makes absolutely no sense.
How often were you "down there" with a hair dryer? What caused ice and snow
to get in the track? My track is inside the house. It would be hard to get
ice or snow in it.
2012 - 1984 = 28. 2 sets of rollers in close to 3 decades? That doesn't
sound so bad. I've done one set
When it opens out, does it open 180° so as not to take up any room on the
deck? Does it open when there is a foot of snow on the deck?
We often keep our sliding door open when it's raining. I wouldn't want the
inside of my wooden door exposed to the elements.
As far as kicking in the door, I don't consider that an issue. If they want
in, they're coming in. Did you happen to notice the 2 large panes of glass
that most sliding doors come with? If they want in, they're coming in.
On Wednesday, February 12, 2014 4:03:09 PM UTC-8, DerbyDad03 wrote:
Sliding door = POS - the worst design ever developed for closing a hole i
n an outside wall.
Almost every time it snowed. It opened directly on to the patio, snow woul
d lodge against the door, open it and it fell into the track, close door it
pushed the snow against the jam and froze there.
And all the rest of my outside doors have not needed ANY roller replacement
- your point is??
Almost and it takes up no useable room. It opens onto two steps going down
so deep build up doesn't happen.
I'll put up with repainting over the problems people have trying to remove
a slider to replace rollers any day.
So you don't both locking up, got it.
At least you didn't pull the old "code prohibits doors opening out" which i
s an outright lie but shows up every time in these discussions. This is th
e first time it hasn't.
You opinion based on your bad experiences. That's fine.
Never happens to me. I get snow on my deck but I never have snow in the
track problems. Maybe it's the slanted design of the sill. Can't say
My point is that I like my sliding door much more than I would like a
swinging door. I like it enough that if I had to replace rollers once a
decade that would be a small price to pay for everything else I like about
We step directly out onto the deck. Any door that opened onto the deck
would take up usable space. Different situations warrant different
My door is stained on the interior. I wouldn't want it outside.
As far as "problems" removing it, it goes back to the design of the door.
All that is required for me to remove the slider is 6 screws to remove a
piece of wooden molding at the top of the door and the panel just tilts
down into the room. It's a simple one man operation.
Now you're just being silly because you want to argue. Sensible people
don't make it easy, but no one can make it impossible.
... A lot of back and forth (pun intended) about sliding doors has been
Look, we could go on forever with you bad mouthing sliding doors and me
defending them, but the bottom line is this:
Millions of people have sliding doors and enjoy them. Some people have
sliding doors and hate them. Now, before you jump all over me about the
vagueness of the words "some people" there's a reason I said it that way.
We know for a fact that millions of sliding doors have been installed over
the years. We also know that we have seen many posts about people having
problems with their doors and about how much they hate them. What we
haven't seen are _millions_ of posts from people having problems with their
doors. What we will _never_ see is millions of posts from satisfied users
saying things like "Hi! Just checking in to let you know I love my sliding
door. I'm not having any problems with it."
It the same situation with just about any product. The happy people
typically stay silent unless they are specifically reviewing a product - or
defending it when someone makes a blanket statement such as "They all
suck". The unhappy people, or those with a problem that they are trying to
resolve, will post. Those that hate the product will point to those posts
as if they are overwhelming proof about how that product is. They will
neglect to point out that millions of satisfied users _aren't_ posting
about how happy they are.
I like my slider. You hated yours. I've never had a serious problem my
slider. You had multiple problems with yours. Based on my experience I
think sliders are great. Based on your experience you think sliders suck.
The major difference is that I don't think _all_ sliders are great, but you
appear to think that _all_ sliders suck.
On Monday, February 10, 2014 12:51:00 PM UTC-6, Dave wrote:
't drag on the threshold, so I'm guessing the rollers are clogged with pet
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Had similar door before. If it is the same as mine was, the 2 holes under t
he phillips head screws adjust the height of the roller assemblies (housing
). If you loosen the housing, the whole door should lower itself and give y
ou "wiggle" room to walk the door out.
Once it's out, should be able to get to the rollers. Found out mine were al
ways wearing out the roller pins due to the weight.
Mine looked like this:
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