So I sold some tools that either I didn't need or weren't what I really
wanted, and was going to take the proceeds and buy myself a circular
saw... figured on getting a Skil 77 because that seems to be the
default "real" saw. I'd seen one at Lowe's (the 77M) a week or two ago,
looked on their web site, it's on closeout! Awesome! (I thought) well,
they must have really closed it out because it's already been taken down
(from earlier today) and replaced by the regular 77 - but my local store
has neither. (I was just there helping a friend get ideas for a remodel
So I look online at Amazon and they have a good price w/ free shipping
but I see that the reviews are somewhat mixed... most love the saw but
seems like the magnesium version has some issues with the baseplate not
being flat and/or not holding adjustment without slop. Anyone have any
idea how common those are? I wouldn't normally obsess about this kind
of thing but don't really want to pay the premium to buy at Home
Despot... nor do I actually *like* patronizing Home Despot... but am
wary of ordering online if there's a real chance of getting a bad one?
other question would be, how much difference does it really make to have
the 2 lb. lighter magnesium version? Would that something that would
really only be noticed if one were, say, putting in a whole day's work
framing a house?
replace "roosters" with "cox" to reply.
Or in awkward, like overhead positions that occur on occasion but
generally not regularly.
I've never had any issue w/ the baseplate; first I've heard of it...then
again, mine is quite old; perhaps they've made changes since, that I
can't say whether is so or not.
First I've heard as well, but here's the Amazon page for the 77M
(Amazon.com product link shortened)
reviews seem to be split between "this is the finest saw ever" and
"great but the base isn't flat" or "the base doesn't lock securely"
Of course, I guess if you have a problem with a product you are far
more likely to post a review than if it is perfect...
I'm pretty sure Bosch owns the Skil name, the only reason I'm drawn to
the Skil 77 is it is pretty much the original and seems to be the most
popular - kind of like Milwaukee and the reciprocating saw a.k.a.
"Sawzall" (have one, love it.) My drill is Milwaukee as well, mostly
because that's what I could get a deal on when I needed a HD 1/2"
drill, but it seems to have been a good choice as that is what I see a
lot of installers using at work.
I have lots of "vintage, real thing" tools - unfortunately my
grandfather did not see fit to leave me a handheld circular saw, nor
have I found a good one at a yard sale... so I have to buy new :(
It is a sad commentary that I'd rather use my grandfather's old tools
(my scroll saw actually used to belong to my great-grandfather) than
what you can buy at the store today... but that's another
I can do you one better. I have a Craftsman circular saw that was
owned by Jesus's father Joseph. Joseph was a carpenter. He always
used all Craftsman tools. He built over 100 mangers every year with
those tools, and the tools still work superb. :)
Well, you're a helpless nitwit that can't pick a saw on his own...
1. Buy saw.
2. Don't like it, take it back.
3. Repeat as necessary until satisfied.
4. Report your imaginary difficulties achieving satisfaction here.
Another post where you demonstrated your idiocy for the whole world to
Pay me enough money and I'll slap a Harbo(u)r Freight sticker on the
side of my truck and tell the whole world they're the greatest tools
ever. Still won't make it true, though.
I will say this, decades ago you would have actually been somewhat
correct. Crapsman *used* to make quality tools at a decent price.
Now they make (OK, contract to have made) barely acceptable tools at a
My idiocy is debatable. I didn't assert there are no driving schools,
and, unlike yourself, I don't live within 800' of one.
Straw man. They're plenty good enough.
When did you last buy a Craftsman tool...?
Hey, 'member when you had those unneeded sacks o' sand and were all
discombobulated about what to do with them...?
Only the degree. It's clearly established that you are, in fact, an
The post is valid, if you read the whole thing.
Which one? Craftsman? Or HF? In my mind the former is only a step
above the latter.
Couple years ago, needed a torx bit that I didn't have. Sears didn't
have the bits, but they did have sets of Torx screwdrivers. Being in a
hurry to accomplish the task at hand, I bought a set. One of them had
the handle twist on the shaft while attempting to loosen the choke
cover screws of a brand new, just out of the box Edelbrock carburetor
(e.g. not abusive use or attempting to remove overtightened or
corroded fasteners.) This was the first use of that tool.
I also have got some new Crapsman screwdrivers from gathering old ones
up from my collection and my friend's garage, either because the tips
have twisted, stripped (Phillips) or have become nicked somehow. Some
of the replacements are already damaged after a year or so of light
I've had better luck with "Kobalt" from Lowe's. Store is more
convenient, sales staff is more clueful. Haven't had to warranty
anything yet. They're not pro grade either, but still. Likewise I
have used and abused the snot out of my Klein 10-in-1 and other than
one of the "sleeve" things starting to bind in the barrel after
application of Excessive Torque (tm) it is still in quite usable
I've never broken a Proto, S-K, or Snap-On brand tool. Unfortunately
none of those three make handheld circular saws. Skil, however, does,
and last time I checked they had an excellent reputation, but that was
a while ago and I saw some conflicting information online. Hence my
inquiry to see if anyone else had experienced those issues. I think
that pretty much everyone but you got the point. (as per usual.)
Tools are expensive, so I prefer to spend a little more money up front
if it means that I will get years of service from a given tool rather
than hours. Unfortunately it is sometimes difficult to tell the
difference without fondling the merchandise personally, as high price
is not necessarily an indicator of quality. Even more unfortunately,
pro-quality tools are not often available at local retail outlets.
Do you remember the 1000th time I reminded you you do not read well?
No, your lies are not.
There's always conflicting information online, Sparky.
I don't believe you have any intent to buy a saw. You have little or
no use for one or you'd have mentioned what you had to cut, why,
where, how long/wide, ad nauseum.
You aren't replacing one. You've managed your whole life w/o a saw.
You've been using Usenet as your social media for years, pretending to
be something you're not, because you have no friends.
Sure. You don't have a pot to piss in, but you think you need a c-
It's tough living out in the sticks of Fairfax VA, ain't it?
Tens of thousands if not millions of professional mechanics find
Craftsman tools perfectly acceptable, but they ain't good enough for
you. You can't open a letter with a Craftsman screwdriver without
breaking it, so obviously it is the fault of the tool.
If you were any more full of shit we'd be able to smell you via
WARNING WARNING WARNING: high gpstard drivel content ahead. Hit "n"
now if you don't want to lose IQ points.
Not really. Since that's obviously a falsehood, I didn't give it much
Hmm. So you don't believe that I've had less than acceptable service
life from ordinary Crafstman hand tools? Do you have any evidence to
suggest otherwise? Can you also explain why it seems to be
particularly Craftsman tools that seem to have a short service life?
Or why newer Craftsman tools seem to be inferior to very old ones?
All the anecdotal reports corroborating my observations?
Which is why I was asking for others' experiences, to evaluate same.
Actually, I received a Craftsman sidewinder as a gift, used it a few
times, and decided I wanted something better. That would be one of
the tools that I sold that I mentioned in my original post to this
That'd be something like the pot calling the mirror black, I'd think.
I tend to try to piss in proper facilities, and yeah, a circular saw
is a fundamental part of any homeowner's or handyman's toolkit.
Well, first of all, I haven't had a Fairfax address in something like
a decade, and secondly, I find that major metropolitan areas often
have inferior building supplies/tool sellin' emporia than more rural
areas. Certainly I personally had an easier time finding damn near
everything when I lived in the sticks - nothing was right next door
convenient, but I knew where to go to get quality goods and it was
usually within a half hour's drive or so.
Why would I use a screwdriver to open a letter?
Pfft. You're lonely. Probably because you're a liar, but I don't
imagine your oral health helps.
What was wrong with it...?
That's not thinking.
Right. And you just got one. As a gift...
Falls Church, my bad.
Over what timeline...?
Of course! Your experiences are always decidedly atypical!
Consumers have ranked the Craftsman brand second (surpassed only by
Waterford Crystal) in terms of quality.
In 2007, Craftsman was named "America's Most Trusted Brand" and brand
with "Highest Expectations".
In 2009, the readers of Popular Mechanics named Craftsman their
favorite brand of hand tools in their Reader's Choice Awards.
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