I want to remodel my entire kitchen, including adding ceramic tile flooring.
Is it better to:
1) Remove all cabinets & appliances and tile the entire floor? Then replace
the cabinets & appliances over the new tile?
2) Replace and fix all cabinets first, then only tile up to the cabinets?
99.9% of the time it's #2. At least it is in CA. All the rough work
gets done first incl. setting the cabs, then the tile follows. In the
event you replace the floor at a later time it's a much easier chore as
well. I recommend you tile under the dishwasher before it's installation.
One word of caution: make sure the DW fits after the tile's applied.
Most DWs are designed to be installed over (normal) ceramic tile, but
I've encountered extra-thick tile that will cause a problem. In this
case, a new DW should be purchased, installed and tested, and
tested, and tested....then the Piazza flooring be installed.
Also, Bosch DWs may be too tall to be installed over the tile.
Highly-rated Kenmore DWs are 1/2" short so will fit over most tile.
Also, I've had to replace a tile floor where the tile was installed
under the cabinets. It can be done, but it's truly painful to score
and break the tile at the edge of the cab. Remember, there's a recess
for the toe-kick. It can be done, but it added to my estimate, and to
the customer's cost.
The usual advice is to tile the whole floor, and then place the base
cabinets. This makes an easier tile job, places the countertops at a
true 36", avoids having to deal with trying to get the dishwasher in
and out over the edge of the tile, and, in theory, could allow you to
rearrange things in future without redoing floor.
Having said that... I wish the guy who did my kitchen had placed the
base cabinets first, and then tiled, because I would really like to
replace the floor with something more to my liking, and that would
mean ripping out all the cabinets now, since the tile runs under them.
The rest of the kitchen is in good shape, but the floor has got to go.
I I were remodeling now, I think I'd lay a 3/4" (or whatever will
match the finished tile height) plywood spacer down where the base
cabinets are going to go, including under the dishwasher, tile up to
that, and then place the cabinets on top of the plywood. The cabinets
wouldn't be in the way while tileing, and all the heights would work
Ayup. It makes little to no sense to tile first on residential floors
prior to cabinets, etc. What little time and few cuts one saves by
doing so is far outweighed by possible hassles later.
Even though both methods are recommended here, IMHO those that recommend
tile first are not pros or have done very little in the way of remodelng
or tile installation.
Ugly grout line at vanity. Tub is now effectivley locked in and would take
ripping the tiles up to replace it if it failed. We almost had to when the
whirlpool we had was warped at puddline at an edge. Luckily we found
somebody that repairs acrylic and could heat it and bend it back to the
If you have tile on the toekick there'll be a joint at the transition to
the floor regardless. If it's a field joint that's close to the toekick
that looks unsightly it could be the layout could have been adjusted.
B'sides, you could have ended up with that issue even if the tile went
'Ripped' up? They can be carefully and cleanly removed given the right
person and a few tools.
I've seen hundreds. bfd.
If you'd read the entire thread you would have seen that I recommended
the space under the d/w be tiled first. Tile last.
Oh, and save your breath Miller. I've already seen you in action around
here and right or *wrong* you tend to argue the point infinitesimally
for arguments sake. I mostly don't respect your advice, and won't waste
my time with you.
-end of subject-
It would seem like a waste of money to tile under fixed equipment like
cabinets. If they're being screwed to the wall and never expected to be
moved then why tile under them? That and the weight of the cabinets on top
of the tiles would present greater likelihood of cracking them.
For applicance bays it might be worth tiling into them to help avoid spills
running off the main floor area and down directly to subfloor. Or if you're
using really expensive tiles then use something cheaper, but of the same
height, in the unseen areas.
Reality is nature's way of keeping things straight.
It is better to tile LAST. You want to put down some good tile or
travertine, then have the cabinet guy, the countertop guy, the buttcrack
plumber, and a few others dragging their stuff over finished tile?
Think about it.
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