We're in the final days of having our new house built with the first
walk through scheduled for later this week, but one thing I wasn't
sure about is the dishwasher and laminate flooring. The dishwasher
sits on the concrete and the laminate flooring in the kitchen runs
right up to the dishwasher -- dishwasher was installed before
flooring. There's no gap between the top of the dishwasher and the
bottom of the counter top, so my worry is that the dishwasher won't be
able to be removed without pulling up the counter top or flooring.
In an email to the builder he said it would come out, which I'll have
him demo when we do the walk through, but I wanted to do some research
before then as well. I know it's not their first rodeo so I assume
I'm just not seeing the 'trick' to getting it out, but with the
dishwasher being so snug in there I'm just not seeing how to get it
out when it needs to be replaced or repaired.
Thanks for any advise.
Most dishwashers have adjustable feet near the front. When these get
raised the DW should come out with no problem.
They look tight when all of the trim is installed but the piece at the
bottom is adjustable to match the finished floor height. The top near
the counter is higher than the body of the DW so once that clears the
bottom of the counter you'll have plenty of clearance.
This picture shows a side view where you can see that they are smaller
on the inside.
It can come out with little more work. Leveling legs can be lowered and
it can slide out over the laminate top. Any how that is years from now.
After 15 years oue DW is still running good.(knock on the wood!)
re: "Much easier to put flooring first, then cabinets and appliances
I've never had a house built, so this is new to me.
Are you saying that other builders would have put laminate flooring
throughout the kitchen before the base cabinets were installed and
then put the cabinets on top of that? Wouldn't that be a waste of a
lot of laminate flooring?
First, if they are doing a really nice job, the time they save putting
down flooring first (no cutting to fit against the cabinet bases...)
Would almost pay for the extra flooring.
Second, the finished look is much better when putting cabinets on top of
Also I've seen more than once where they put the flooring down just
enough for the front of the cabinets to sit on, then use scraps under
the back of the cabinets to keep them level. Very little waste and a
nicer looking job.
Agreed. Laminate is NEVER appropriate for a kitchen. Unless you never, ever
use it. I have several friends with McMansions and their kitchen counters
and appliances are the only dusty surfaces - they never, ever cook. Bizarre!
Some, but probably not all, manufactured laminate is impervious to water.
Also dog drool, baby pee, petroleum solvents, alcohol, fuming acids, and
I had some laminate left over from reworking a spare room and used it for
the kitchen's COUNTERTOP! (It looks like butcher-block). After about a year,
I've added to laminate's list of features that it doesn't stain, scratch,
break, expand, or do anything but just sit there and look swell.
Much like my first wife.
Absolutely false. Perhaps the kind of manufactured laminate made from
discarded Cherrios' boxes will have some problem, but the laminate I've used
is impervious to water.
When I say "impervious," I mean unaffected within the precision of my
measuring instruments, visual inspection with a loupe, or any practical
You are grievously mistaken and I caution you: Others with views similar to
yours have been locked away in places with "Asylum" in their names.
I did that with $.79 laminate from Lumber Liquidators, except I used a
micrometer. And left the stuff in the water for a MONTH!
Thickness expansioni was within 0.001", lateral expansion was within 0.002,"
both of which were within the precision limitations of my micrometer.
I worked on scraps with a wood rasp, a nail, and a rock. I banged it with a
hammer. No scratches or dents.
I'm tellin' you, they should use that stuff as water-line armor plating for
battleships. If we still had battleships.
Yup, that's how we did the floor when we tiled. We figured out the
center, laid the tiles about 3 inches over where the appliances and
cabinets would start, and then used tile scraps in the back corners of
each cabinet. The appliances had adjustable back feet for leveling.
Not exactly rocket science and it looks great.
For starters, every manufacturer recommends putting your cabinets in _B/4_
the flooring. Here's just one example.
Scroll to item #13.
There's several reasons for this. Laminate needs to expand/contract, a
permanent fixture on top of the laminate will prohibit this, causing
problems. Another reason is if you need to replace panel/planks/tiles, and
the cabinets are installed on top.....well, now you got problems.
You've never seen a professional install flooring then sit the cabinets on
edge & shim the back. This would have to be one hell of a hack.
Please show just one manufacturer which would recommend putting the
cabinets first. And, you've got to be kidding about saving time of not
cutting/scribing around objects. A professional will cut around anything as
fast as they will a straight cut. Good grief, just when I thought I heard
Please show me one manufacturer who prefers laminate flooring over
ceramic tile in a kitchen. The idea of laminate in a kitchen does not
sound right. Usually you put laminate if you want to spruce up an
existing kitchen or do a kitchen makover, but not in a brand new
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