Shoot through the door

[Attila Iskander]

# # And as I pointed out above, you are wrong. Police are NOT allowed to # shoot "fleeing felons" unless there is a very good reason to do so. # CLUE for the CLUELESS - there are lots of grades of felonies and damn # few of them would justfy being shot at while fleeing. # # Yes, I see that my original post was to fgretw, not you. So why did # you step in there and then prove my point of your wrongness in the # next post?

Repeating yourself like a stupid parrot doesn't make you right. Just repetitive There are all kinds of situations where you are perfectly in your right to shoot someone "running away" Trying to escape with the goods of a felony theft is one of them Most states DO have a statute to that effect.

Vermont

justifiable homicide - Guiltless (2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or violence; or

If the "robber" is still around and absconding with the goods, he is STILL in effect in the process of committing robbery

New Hampshire

627:8 Use of Force in Property Offenses. - A person is justified in using force upon another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what is or reasonably appears to be an unlawful taking of his property, or criminal mischief, or to retake his property immediately following its taking; but he may use deadly force under such circumstances only in defense of a person as prescribed in RSA 627:4.

I'll leave you to educate yourself about other NE States, which pretty well have similar statutes

Bottom line is your argument will be "I was trying to stop him from committing the crime. Unfortunately, he consequently died from my attempt to stop him." There is jurisprudence, that in effect you will walk..

[Attila Iskander]

# # Did you not notice that you menti # # They are not allowed to shoot even "WHILE COMMITTING A FELONY" except # to preserve life.

If he is running away with the goods from the felony, he's STILL in the process of COMMITTING the felony. And YOU can use force to stop him

See how simple that is..

[gfretwell]

You can blame Eric Holder for that one. The DoJ threatened a civil rights investigation if Angela Corey did not bring a murder charge, so she did. Then Zimmerman hit the jackpot with a solicitation on the internet and his lawyer sucked up every dime of it. A decent public defender could have gotten this tossed in the immunity hearing but there was $200 grand to be had, so O'mara took it all.

Zimmerman was knocked down, his nose was broken and his head bashed on the concrete, then Martin tried to get his gun. That was when Martin was shot and the state has no evidence to refute that account of the shooting. The physical evidence supports every bit of it.

They also were very dishonest with that 5 year old "Holister" photo. Zimmerman was looking at this guy

[gfretwell]

When you look at what you can buy these days, why bother? Reloading made sense when 9mm and .45 was FMJ loaded for the rustiest old gun SAAMI could find. Now days there are high performance bullets in +P or P+P velocities.

[Ralph Mowery]

It depends on how much you shoot. I reload because I like to shoot a lot. Also I have a small 40 cal that I like to shoot 155 GR bullets in and download it some so it does not kick as much, but still does not cause feeding problems. At 20 feet or less, that small loss of velocity should not mater.

What are those high performance bullets costing ? A dollar or more each ?

Also with the big buy out now, it is difficult to find the loaded ammo of most kinds. It is also difficult to find components now also. It is less costly to store the bullets, powder,and primers than it is the loaded stuff.

[gfretwell]

I was at Bass Pro the other day, They were out of primers of any kind, only a few rifle bullets in unpopular calibers and they had one can of shotgun powder. If course there was not any pistol ammo and a few boxes of rifle ammo (no 308 or 223) but they had plenty of shotgun ammo. Maybe that is why Biden said "buy a shotgun". He wants to deplete that ammo supply too,

[HeyBub]

If you mean "reloading your own ammunition" (to be "hotter" than usual), you are correct.

When talking about commercial ammunition, it's difficult to refute a prosecutors claim: "The defendant SET OUT to kill! Why else would he have loaded his weapon with "Atlas Red Rhino Atomic Devestator Orphan Maker" ammunition...?" The same logic and argument would obtain if someone hand-loaded bullets to be sooper-dooper.

I use Glazer Safety Rounds in my carry weapons. These are frangible rounds, meaning they fragment into a zillion pieces upon impact. The massive damage they do is an unfortunate consequence of their inteded characteristic of no over-penetration or ricochette (wink-wink). Heck, they even have "Safety" as part of their name!

[Attila Iskander]

We're still waiting for a cite of such a case...

[HeyBub]

A cite is difficult inasmuch as issues such as this are raised at the trial level and seldom make it to published opinions of appelate courts.

Nevertheless, here are four cases. Note the first case includes the observation (by the DA):

Why wasnt regular ammunition deadly enough for you, used by opposing counsel. They charged Kennedy with aggravated assault. They made a large issue out of his use of handloads, suggesting that they were indicative of a reckless man obsessed with causing maximum damage.

[Attila Iskander]

You fail to mention that 3 of 4 cases were did not pose a problem and the argument was demolished by the defense. In effect the same defense would also work in the future. IN the 2nd case, there were other far more critical factors.

In other words, it's just fear-mongering.