# Did you not notice that you mentioned shooting someone running away?
You're still too busy responding BEFORE you read COMPLETLY and UNDERSTOOD as
well what I wrote...
# They are not allowed to shoot even "WHILE COMMITTING A FELONY" except
# to preserve life.
If he is running away with the goods from the felony, he's STILL in the
process of COMMITTING the felony.
And YOU can use force to stop him
See how simple that is..
I'm so sorry that you don't read what was written.
Running away is not the same as running away while committing a felony.
Eg running away with a stolen gun or anything that's worth more than (usual)
Stopping a crime being committed is generally covered by "deadly force"
And the reason most states have such a provision is to cover for the police
when they actually shoot a perp "running away" if they believe he has or
still is committing a felony
It just happens that such laws are NOT exclusive to LEOs, and they apply to
citizens as well.
It works like this:
"The alleged perp was running away, but he stopped and pointed what I
believed to be a weapon in my direction. In fear of my life, I discharged my
service pistol. While the bullet was in flight, the perp turned around to
continue his escape..."
That may work in Texas but you are getting arrested in any North East
state. A $250,000 lawyer bill may get you off but that is quite a fine
for shooting a guy who stole your wallet. If you shot the guy square
in the back, $250k might not get you off.
As a reference, even in Florida Zimmerman has paid over $200,000 in
legal fees and he hasn't even been to trial yet ... on a case that
the state is going to lose.
You can blame Eric Holder for that one. The DoJ threatened a civil
rights investigation if Angela Corey did not bring a murder charge, so
Then Zimmerman hit the jackpot with a solicitation on the internet and
his lawyer sucked up every dime of it.
A decent public defender could have gotten this tossed in the immunity
hearing but there was $200 grand to be had, so O'mara took it all.
Zimmerman was knocked down, his nose was broken and his head bashed on
the concrete, then Martin tried to get his gun. That was when Martin
was shot and the state has no evidence to refute that account of the
shooting. The physical evidence supports every bit of it.
They also were very dishonest with that 5 year old "Holister" photo.
Zimmerman was looking at this guy
On Mon, 4 Mar 2013 20:10:56 -0600, "Attila Iskander"
When you look at what you can buy these days, why bother?
Reloading made sense when 9mm and .45 was FMJ loaded for the rustiest
old gun SAAMI could find.
Now days there are high performance bullets in +P or P+P velocities.
It depends on how much you shoot. I reload because I like to shoot a lot.
Also I have a small 40 cal that I like to shoot 155 GR bullets in and
download it some so it does not kick as much, but still does not cause
feeding problems. At 20 feet or less, that small loss of velocity should
What are those high performance bullets costing ? A dollar or more each ?
Also with the big buy out now, it is difficult to find the loaded ammo of
most kinds. It is also difficult to find components now also. It is less
costly to store the bullets, powder,and primers than it is the loaded stuff.
I was at Bass Pro the other day, They were out of primers of any kind,
only a few rifle bullets in unpopular calibers and they had one can of
If course there was not any pistol ammo and a few boxes of rifle ammo
(no 308 or 223) but they had plenty of shotgun ammo. Maybe that is
why Biden said "buy a shotgun". He wants to deplete that ammo supply
If you mean "reloading your own ammunition" (to be "hotter" than usual), you
When talking about commercial ammunition, it's difficult to refute a
prosecutors claim: "The defendant SET OUT to kill! Why else would he have
loaded his weapon with "Atlas Red Rhino Atomic Devestator Orphan Maker"
ammunition...?" The same logic and argument would obtain if someone
hand-loaded bullets to be sooper-dooper.
I use Glazer Safety Rounds in my carry weapons. These are frangible rounds,
meaning they fragment into a zillion pieces upon impact. The massive damage
they do is an unfortunate consequence of their inteded characteristic of no
over-penetration or ricochette (wink-wink). Heck, they even have "Safety" as
part of their name!
A cite is difficult inasmuch as issues such as this are raised at the trial
level and seldom make it to published opinions of appelate courts.
Nevertheless, here are four cases. Note the first case includes the
observation (by the DA):
Why wasnt regular ammunition deadly enough for you, used by opposing
counsel. They charged Kennedy with aggravated assault. They made a large
issue out of his use of handloads, suggesting that they were indicative of a
reckless man obsessed with causing maximum damage.
You fail to mention that 3 of 4 cases were did not pose a problem and the
argument was demolished by the defense.
In effect the same defense would also work in the future.
IN the 2nd case, there were other far more critical factors.
In other words, it's just fear-mongering.
And as I pointed out above, you are wrong. Police are NOT allowed to
shoot "fleeing felons" unless there is a very good reason to do so.
CLUE for the CLUELESS - there are lots of grades of felonies and damn
few of them would justfy being shot at while fleeing.
Yes, I see that my original post was to fgretw, not you. So why did
you step in there and then prove my point of your wrongness in the
# And as I pointed out above, you are wrong. Police are NOT allowed to
# shoot "fleeing felons" unless there is a very good reason to do so.
# CLUE for the CLUELESS - there are lots of grades of felonies and damn
# few of them would justfy being shot at while fleeing.
# Yes, I see that my original post was to fgretw, not you. So why did
# you step in there and then prove my point of your wrongness in the
# next post?
Repeating yourself like a stupid parrot doesn't make you right.
There are all kinds of situations where you are perfectly in your right to
someone "running away"
Trying to escape with the goods of a felony theft is one of them
Most states DO have a statute to that effect.
justifiable homicide - Guiltless
(2) In the suppression of a person attempting to commit murder, sexual
assault, aggravated sexual assault, burglary or robbery, with force or
If the "robber" is still around and absconding with the goods, he is
STILL in effect in the process of committing robbery
627:8 Use of Force in Property Offenses. - A person is justified in
using force upon another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes
it necessary to prevent what is or reasonably appears to be an unlawful
taking of his property, or criminal mischief, or to retake his property
immediately following its taking; but he may use deadly force under such
circumstances only in defense of a person as prescribed in RSA 627:4.
I'll leave you to educate yourself about other NE States, which pretty well
have similar statutes
Bottom line is your argument will be
"I was trying to stop him from committing the crime.
Unfortunately, he consequently died from my attempt to stop him."
There is jurisprudence, that in effect you will walk..
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