A Baltimore area elementary school recently suspended a seven year old
boy for chewing a breakfast pastry into a shape resembling a gun.
There also seems to be some dispute over whether the boy said bang
bang after doing so (some also claim there might have been a second
Pop-Tarter on the grassy knoll).
For any students who were traumatized by the frightening toaster
strudel ordeal, counseling is available:
The school sent home a letter to parents saying, During breakfast
this morning, one of our students used food to make inappropriate
gestures that disrupted the class. While no physical threats were made
and no one was harmed, the student had to be removed from the
Parents should talk to their children if theyre troubled by the
incident, the school said, and the school counselor will be available
for any student who needs to talk.
Its been pointed out that because the Pop Tart had a filling, the
pastry weapon was likely considered to be loaded a much more
egregious zero-tolerance violation indeed hence the suspension.
The letter sent to the parents of students is here. The educators will
now undoubtedly insist that any Pop Tarts consumed on school property
undergo a mandatory 24-hour cooling off period after coming out of the
Another example of your country's voyage down the commode.
Your country is changing before your very eyes, yet you cannot see it.
You, each of you, are the unwitting agents of change.
And your guns will make no difference as a steam roller is crushing your
rights, your freedoms - your sensibilities and rationality.
Am I right - Oren?
A 7-year-old boy is suspended from grade school for "chewing a breakfast
pastry into a shape resembling a gun".
Is that the American Way, KR Williams?
Is that what you do in the USA these days?
The parents are now facing a logistics problem with schooling for the
Other parents and the wider community are given a stark message about
how power and authority will deal with 7-year-old boys who "chew
breakfast pastry into a shape resembling a gun".
And this is not an example of how your sensibilities and rationality are
being steam-rollered in the USA?
Is this not an example of how your sensibilities and rationality are
being stolen from you? Stolen from you - in spite of your "right to
bear arms" ?
KR Williams - if I am not right, then are you proud of this situation
and it's outcome?
You're accusing me of full-quoting?
Do you know how lame that makes you look?
Are you not embarrased by evading my questions?
Is this the new normal in the USA?
Are you proud that a 7 year-old American boy was suspended from school
for chewing a breakfast pastry into a shape resembling a gun?
Does that make you proud to be an American?
Will you answer that question KR Williams?
You have the conversation style of a 4-year-old.
But then again, we all knew that too.
When someone speaks disturbing facts or truths to children, children
often lash out and scream "liar" in response. As you do frequently
It's interesting that you keep calling me a liar, when the evidence that
I'm correct is plainly out in the open.
You do full-quote, and you practically always answer questions (not just
my questions) with a question, which is an evasion tactic.
Very interesting that you keep coming back to using inapropriate terms
like "lying" or "liar" when attempting to throw out an accusatory name
You seems to want to classify many things (or people) as "lying" or
liars, no matter how silly that looks.
My use of the Followup-To: mechanism to direct usenet replies to another
group is not an example of "lying". Contrary to your incorrect
statement (that I could call a "lie" but I don't) - the usenet newsgroup
"alt.bullshit" does exist, and most of your posts belong there.
Either you have a very small vocabulary and you resort to calling
someone a "liar" when you feel like spouting a derogatory remark or you
believe they posted incorrect or wrong information, or you have a
deep-seated psychological psychosis with lying.
Refreshing to see you posting under your own nickname, HomeGuy.
But, just between you, me and KRW, I've learned from personal experience
that no matter how much you cuss someone out, no matter how much you
denegrate them and insult their intelligence, no matter how much you
ridicule them on what they say and no matter how eloquently you explain
to them just how stupid they really are, you still won't be able to
bring them around to your way of thinking.
Don't know why not.
I can't help it if you are a liar, HomoGay. Sometimes the truth
hurts, but it is still the truth.
Only because you are, HomoGay.
You're an idiot. Not snipping <> full quoting. At least *rent* a
Only because you are, HomoGay. It's not like anyone is surprised,
though. Everyone knows it, with the possible exception of you. You
probably "get it" too, but it's possible that you really are that
Only liars, HomoGay. ...which you certainly are.
Of course it is, HomoGay. You pretend to converse but being a
petulant asshole, you try to redirect any reply elsewhere.
When you lie, I don't call you a swishy fruit. Though you are that
Well, ya gotta draw the line somewhere or the next thing ya know them
little monkeys will be making nitroglycerine in chemistry class.
Seriously, I think everyone is in total agreement that "chewing a pop
tart into the shape of a gun" is something ANY 7 year old boy would do,
and that a suspension from school is a total over reaction to the
Heck, when I was 7 years old, I had plenty of toy guns, as did every
other kid on my block. But we all fully understood that they were only
toys. So, I don't think any of the little children munching on lunch
that day were at all traumatized by the pastry pistol. In fact, those
kids probably didn't give the pop tart gun a second thought, but are
probably scared out of their wits now that they see how little it takes
for them to get suspended from school!
The problem is that there are adults who can't seem to grasp that even
in the most strictly enforced "zero tolerance" environment which
presently surrounds anything having to do with guns in schools, some
incidents can still be so minor that they're best left ignored.
So, no. I highly doubt anyone in here is proud of that school's
handling of the situation.
I'm wondering if the pop tart pistol could have been more effectively
handled by just getting each teacher to tell their Grade 2 class at the
beginning of each year:
"OK, children, here's the deal:
Guns in schools is a really sensitive topic for the principal to deal
with, so as long as no one chews their pop tart into the shape of a gun,
I won't have to zap anyone with this electric cattle prod."
Occam's Razor: "The right answer is generally the simplest one."
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