you have chose to be a jerk... sorry. But thats not
impressive. There is NO need or requirement that one dig up
referrences for everything he asserts...thats only if you are
a journalist or whatever.
In conversation one says whate wishes and others get to decide
if its valid or not... certainly you can *ask for a reference
as you did... but there is no requirement to supply one. I
am not going to spend the time to dig up the channel 7 news or
SF Chronicle archives.
So take it or leave it.
However fraud in government is not exactly something new...it
tends to be way more than pervasive. In this thread we have
several others post of long standing practices of 'tipping'
building inspectors if you want your job to pass. that
should be a clooo for you.
Unfortunately now, since you have been unpleasant I must
terminate further discussion with you.
It has always been my experience that it takes two assholes to make a bar
If you've got homeowners/contractors trying to cut corners and violate the
codes then, and only then, do you have a situation where a bribe can fix the
situation. I have never had an issue with an inspector on site and have
never paid a bribe in 25 years, and I've done jobs in the Boston
neighborhoods too. It is my job to know at least as much about the current
codes as the inspector and I follow them closely or surpass them, so there
is very little to argue about. No opportunity, no problem.
But I did decide once to pay a neighborhood guy's 12 year old kid and a
couple of his friends $100 a week (1980's) to keep a watch out in order to
be sure nothing happened to my jobsite! (The old man collected the money)
There was no corner cutting or trying to violate code. I made a simple
mistake, neglecting the width of some decorative skirting I wasn't planning
on at the time I did the design. Ok, I guess I was trying to violate code
by having him approve the deck when it was in fact 1/2 inch too close to the
I see two acceptable outcomes to this. 1) The guy says yeah, you screwed
up, but it's not dangerous, and its barely noticeable so I'm going to let
you pass this time. 2) The guy says I'm sorry, you're in violation of code
and I can't allow this to pass.
Note that 3) You are in violation of code but for an undocumented fee of $20
I will allow this to pass
is not on the list.
Yeah, sorry. I wasn't really talking about your case. I was commenting on
the more generalized discussion on making and taking bribes. In your case
any reasonable person would just let it go. What the inspector was probably
thinking as he stood there in silence was: Is this guy trying to pull
something over on me? Can someone sue the Town over this? Can someone sue ME
over this? Do I need this aggravation?
Half inch? Not much in the scheme of life. I cannot imagine a reasonable
inspector not re-measuring this to see if there is truly an error. How
certain is he that the property line is exact from where he is measuring?
If you can get it to be 15/32" maybe he will round down the measurement.
I believe the point you mentioned was one more thing he may have been
considering when he paused. Waiting for a bribe during that infamous
pause has been entertaining fodder in this thread, but I doubt there's
any validity to it in this case.
That was my thought as well. It is hilarious that anyone would think
that property lines are accurate to a 1/2". I've had property surveyed
by two different surveyors and had corner point locations differ by a
nearly a foot over a run of a few hundred feet.
Although it is probably cheaper to fix the deck than to have the lot
surveyed ... and there is always the danger than the next survey will
put the line even closer to the deck! :-)
what can i tell ya.
in this case there was a chainlink fence he was assuming was running exactly
along the property line and he was measuring up to that.
at any rate he passed it and as far as i know it's still there.
I forgot to mention the most amazing part of the story. The first time
plumbing inspector came for the inspection he just said: "Rejected"
very briefly mentioning what's rejected. When I asked him to to explain
what's wrong and how he wants things to be done. He completely refused
to talk to me saying they are not allowed to explain anything. I then
went to township and talked to the second plumbing inspector who
unfortunately happened to be subordinate of the first one. I ordered
reinspection and next time they both came to my house. The story
repeated again, they refused to explain to me anything at first. I then
told them. Imagine a situation that you are stopped by a police officer
and the officer just tell you: "you are fined $500". When you ask him
what the fine for the officer replies: "I am not allowed to tell you
anything". How would you feel? Finally after 30 minutes of tense
discussion the boos inspector within 20 seconds explain to me how he
wants me to fix issues. I spent two days doing this and today finally I
got approval. I don't blame the inspector, I blame the rules. We are
going to celebrate 4th of July, praising our liberties which are
without doubt invaluable. Someone from UK responded to my original
posting saying that in UK they can do anything in their own home. I
just wonder whether the US is really that free country as it states
when people there cannot do in their own homes what they want?
I was remodeling a home in Oakland, Ca and all the inspectors were very
helpful us. The plumbing inspector even came out to the house to show us how
he wanted us to run a waste line and connect to the sewer. The electrical
inspector was also helpful. We ran a new service and the weather head wasn't
high enough for city code, but it complied with the NEC. He asked if we were
given the city electrical code, we had not. He approved us and said, "For
future reference boy, it needs to be higher." I think Oakland wanted to
encourage home owners to maintain their property.
I blame the inspector. Sure, there are rules, but there are ways of
telling a person what has to be done and still maintain their professional
integrity. Most inspectors are decent people that just want to see the job
done right. There goal is to have safe buildings, not to bust your ass over
silly stuff. As in all walks of life, there is that 1% that is a real bozo.
As lo0ng as it's safely done I have no problem. But as I've seen here in
just the past two days it appears people don't know much. For instance,
wiring 240V o0utlet with seperate electrical runs. If you're house caught
fire and then caused mine to go up I'd be pretty pissed.
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