Ot. Wife is sick no benefits because I make too much..

Oct 27, 2019 Last reply: 6 years ago 63 Replies

If you put out really good ideas congress will move it along. If the President made to good ideas public, the citizens would push their representatives to pass them.

Maybe I missed them, but I don't recall seeing those really good ideas. Please point them out so I can pressure my congressman to move them along.

He didn't make any headway while the House was controlled by the Republicans.

I doubt it matters which way the House goes. He couldn't get 'er done in the first two years of his term. He fundamentally doesn't know how the government works. He's used to being the absolute boss of a privately held corporation. That's not what the President is.

Cindy Hamilton

Doesn't matter what congress does if the senate refuses to vote on it.

This is, of course, untrue in multiple ways:

1) Health care was a mess long before President Obama was elected, and he actually _did_ something about it. And guess what, it did exactly as it was supposed to and increased the number of covered Americans by millions. 2) Health care premiums (those paid by employers) were increasing at a double digit rate (15 to 20% a year) during the Bush administration. After the PP-ACA was passed, premium increases dropped substantially on an annual basis.

See, he had both the house and the senate after the election and he couldn't get anything changed because most people (including the health care companies) want the PP-ACA to continue; and the GOP senators realize that (esp. after those who voted to eliminate the PP-ACA were ejected from the house last cycle).

What, exactly, sucks about the PP-ACA? Be very specific. If you believe that it sucks only because of the President who signed it, you're a pretty s***ty American.

For one thing , for the working people the price of the insurance went way up.

I retired about 2 years before it went into effect at 62. It went from around $ 250 to about $ 700 a month. As I was below some poverty line, it came back down. For some friends that had jobs theirs did not come down.

You are confusing the House and Senate. Both of them together make up Congress.

One will pass a bill, send it to the other. Then if passed the President has to sign it. If he doesn't , it then has to go back to both the House and Senate and be voted on by a 2/3 majority of each instead of a simple majority.

The President does not have to sign a bill for it to become law.

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"The bill may become law without the President’s signature by virtue of the constitutional provision that if the President does not return a bill with objections within 10 days (excluding Sundays) after it has been presented to the President, it becomes law as if the President had signed it."

The 2/3 majority (of members present) vote is to override a specific veto of a bill.

That is some of the fine points I did not go into.

By the way , look at the 'pocket veto'. A case where the president does not sign the bill, and it can not be voted on by congress for the 2/3 majority.

That's right, Trump promised lower premiums, coverage for pre-existing conditions, no mandate. Anyone with connected brain cells knows that's impossible. Trump never put forth ANY plan and when it all ended with nothing being done, Trump said "who would have thought healthcare could be so complicated". I'd bet the DNC is preparing campaign ads using that.

That;s a huge lie. Healthcare costs were rapidly rising, as were insurance costs, more and more people were like the OP, unable to afford coverage. That's why Obamacare was put forth. Sure, it has some big problems, but it was at least an actual plan to address the situation and many people who were not covered are now covered. Trump? He made big promises but never put forth any actual plan and in the end he and the GOP delivered NOTHING.

Trump has been trying to change it,

BS. The Republicans controlled the House for Trump's first two years. They wasted a whole year, promising to deliver on Trump's BS promises. In the end, they and Trump delivered NOTHING.

So show us the Trump health insurance plan. You can't because there never was one. When will you trumpets wise up?

but has no

You know I'm a conservative and we mostly disagree. But on this point you are correct. Obamacare was an attempt to fix the big problems with health insurance cost and the uninsured that already existed.

+1

The problem was it was all a big fat Trump lie. Low premiums, no mandate, coverage for pre-existing. Those together are impossible, which Trump finally admitted when he said "who would think healthcare could be so complicated". Yes, who indeed.

He thinks it sucks because he believes he is paying to give coverage to someone who does not deserve coverage. Again, a pretty s***ty American - - -

It sucks because the Affordable Care Act is not affordable. It has a deductible that most people cannot afford. I know of two people that could use surgery but with the $6000 deductible that cannot afford it.

Does not matter who signed it, it was a crappy deal. Yeah, technically covered but still cannot afford medical care. Trump promised to fix it. Where is the fix?

Anyone thinking is is a good deal is a pretty s***ty American. And a dumb one.

Bullshit Clare. You have no idea why I think it is a crappy system. It give poor coverage and it not affordable.

It has also put some medical equipment suppliers out of business because they don't pay them enough to supply patients with what they need.

As an example of that, the deductibles are high, ~$6K. So it can be a good deal if you have a long term illness where you're going to exceed the deductible. But for the average person, unless they have a sudden, serious need, they'd be better off not paying $500 a month and then $6K before it kicks in.

The ones that would think it's a good deal are the folks with big bills for an ongoing illness. If you have bills of $25K or $100K, it can look good. Especially if you couldn't get coverage before because it's a pre-existing condition. Which is why you need the mandate.

But it sucks the the low income guy, paying monthly premiums, but falls and breaks a leg. He essentially have no coverage.

People that need a modest $2500 procedure will put off medical care because it is tough coming up with the money. The dirt poor probably have good coverage with Medicaid but the struggling low income people pay premiums and get nothing.

When someone did ask where he could possibly get help, a few people had to come in with snarky comments. This is a guy that is working, paying taxes, had the ability to buy a house and provide for family, yet gets ridiculed for asking if help is available. Not everyone can write a $6000 check easily.

If they can't handle a 2500 expense, then the only solution is Medicaid. There are some in that position because of disability, but otherwise people should be working and able to handle an expense like that.

The dirt poor probably

They may not be receiving payments for their first $6000 outlays, but they are sharing the burden of what it will cost to treat them if they are in an accident or get an expensive illness and others in that situation. I'm way behind on home insurance too, because I never had a fire or other big loss. Which is why Obamacare had the mandate. Otherwise for most people under 50 you'd be better off not having insurance, then go get it when you need it, assuming they can't refuse to cover you. That was the stupid lie Trump promised, coverage for pre-existing conditions and no mandate, which is impossible.

I agree, it's a legitimate question. He didn't create the rules and the system and he's just as entitled or more so than a lot of people who learn how to work things.

And no one has addressed the underlying problem, which is the escalating costs of health care itself.

Medical equipment suppliers are some of the biggest ripoff crooks out there. Amazon sells most of that stuff at a fair price.

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