You're getting screwed by the rental company. $24/day extra? That's
Except... How old are your sons? If one/both are under 25 that changes
everything. Take the under 25'ers out of the agreement, shouldn't cost
Each additional driver is $3 per day regardless of age
Drivers 20 - 24, add an additional $15 per day ($18 total)
Drivers under 20 - (you might want to sit down) add an additional $41
Spouse (25+) $3
Son 1 - (24) $3 + $15 - $15 AAA discount code
Son 2 - (22) $3 + $15
$9 + $15 = $24
Note: They gave me the AAA discount on the young driver even though it
was not a AAA rental. My corporate rate was not only substantially
cheaper than AAA but came with unlimited mileage as compared to 850
miles from AAA. 850 miles barely gets us to where we're going. We'd
have to walk back.
If I can pester them enough to drop the other $15 young driver fee,
I'll go with $9 a day and have the piece of mind of having 4 drivers.
Otherwise, I'm going with $6 and 3 drivers. I'll let the boys fight it
No, it doesn't, and that doesn't make a lick of sense. If the
contract is voided you'd be off the hook for the rental fee.
If a contract may simply be declared void by one party I've wasted a
lot of money on lawyers.
The straight answer is, you're screwed. Every time I've ever rented a car or
contract has had some language to the effect that lessee agrees not to allow
than persons listed on the rental contract to operate the vehicle. You breach
that contract if
you permit that -- and I'll bet that your auto insurance provides coverage on a
rental car only
if you're in compliance with the rental contract.
His own insurance company told him he would still be
covered. It seems kind of extreme and odd to me
that the same insurance company that will pay off on
a claim when you drive your car 90 MPH when you're
drunk, will suddenly deny a claim they otherwise
would have paid just because you did not list a driver
on a contract with a rental company.
Any breech does not void a contract, release the
parties or mean that the other party can rain hell
down on you. It just means that the party that believes
they were wronged has to PROVE what harm the breech
did to them and what they are out. For starters, it has
to be a MATERIAL breech. And again, it's hard for
me to see how simply not listing the other driver
on a contract with a rental company rises to that level.
What material difference would it have made to
your own insurance company whether the driver
was on the rental contract or not?
Because having the driver properly listed
on the rental agreement would be obeying
the terms of the contract... Once you breach
them you are in a grey area where even if
one of the insurance companies does pay
out for something they can come after you
for repayment because your choice to
breach the contract caused the loss...
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 11:00:34 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
Find a different car rental and ask the same question. I never heard
of this in the past tho I haven't rented a car lately. I think you
are allowed to authorize a person to drive the car even if they aren't
listed as a main driver. Think of it this way.... suppose you were
injured badly and could not drive, then someone might have to drive
your rental car with you in it, to the hospital.
There's no real point in that. My corporate discount is with the
rental agency I'm dealing with and is by far the best deal available
Any cost associated with additional drivers wouldn't make me change
companies because the overall discount is substantial.
I don't know what you mean by "a main driver".
If you mean the person who signed the rental contract, then that will
If I want other people to operate the vehicle, I have to bring those
people to the rental agency, where they will have to show a valid
driver's license and credit card. They will then be known as
Additional Authorized Operators by this company.
That doesn't make it "legal" from a rental agency or insurance company
perspective. If I was badly injured and the only person who could
drive me to the hospital was a 13 year old, whether is was my car or a
rental, it still wouldn't be legal for them to drive.
If they are not listed on the contract, they are not authorized to
drive the car even if I, as the person who signed the contract, say
that they are.
On Fri, 20 Jul 2012 21:46:51 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
Come on... I meant a person who had a driver's license. I think you
have some pre-notions or phobias here but if you don't want to talk to
another car agency, then either go to a lawyer or no need to talk
about it because you have your mind made up.
And I think you obviously have not rented many cars.
Every rental company I have used requires that
additional drivers be listed and they charge a daily
fee. The majors, eg Hertz, Avis, Enterprise all do it.
So, instead of Derby, maybe you should go talk to some rental
And I understand Derby's point about his corporate discount not
making it worthwhile to go find another company. I don't think he
could find a rental company
on this green earth that says they don't care if
additional drivers are listed or not. And even if they
did, the chance that they are going to have a deal
that is better than just taking the corp rate with the
rental company he has and paying the few extra bucks
to add the drivers is slim.
For years I rented cars with a Fortune
100 company that used Hertz. The rate which
was also available
when I rented a car for myself, was so good
that it wasn't worth the time and trouble to screw
around finding the special deal of the day to maybe
save a few bucks. Plus with Hertz, I was a gold
customer. The car was waiting with keys in it. I
did not even have to go into the office. Just find
my name on an electronic board and get the stall
number the car was sitting in just a few feet away.
After getting off a 6 hour plane ride, that is a very
big benefit to me..... As is the rental company
being right at the airport most of the time, not a
bus ride 2 miles away.
They also had other innovations that other companies
did not, at least back then. Like being able to pay for a tank of gas
when picking up the car and then bringing it back near empty. They
charged a fair price for the gas
if you bought it that way, about the same as the local
street price. So, if I expected to use nearly a tank or
more, I always took out that option. Again, a nice
convenience not having to worry about filling up a
rental car when returning to the airport.
The point is that you can't just let anyone drive the rental just by
handing them the keys and expect the rental agency not to care. They want
to know who will be operating the vehicle that they own. If it was your car
wouldn't you want to know who was driving it?
Obviously if the renter was incapacitated they would probably give you some
leeway, even with an unlicensed driver, but it would be their choice. It
still wouldn't make it legal from a contract perspective.
No, what I have is the best rate and mileage available to me so there is no
need for me to call anyone else. If i want that rate along with the
unlimited miles, i have to play by their rules. Besides, as others have
said, I doubt I can find a rental agency that wouldn't require me to list
In addition, when I was talking to my Ins Co, there was no mention of which
rental agency I was using. That tells me the the situation is the same
across all rental agencies.
On Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:38:43 +0000 (UTC), DerbyDad03
Or they didn't know so they wouldn't say??? Seems to me you're
asking for legal advice and should seek a lawyer if it really worries
you that much or just do as the car rental said authorize in writing
the other drivers and that ends your worries.
Also just a heads up but if you ask your insurance agent a question
and they don't know, ask them to ask their underwriters.
Obviously you haven't read this thread very carefully. I have already said
that I am planning to authorize and pay for additional drivers.
Everything else in this thread has been nothing more than a lively
discussion. Why would I possibly need to talk a lawyer? To save a few bucks
on car rental? Gimme a break.
Obviously you haven't read this thread very carefully. In every post I have
used the terms Ins Co or insurance company. I have not been talking to an
agent. As a matter of fact I was talking to at least a 2nd level
representative of my Ins Co customer service department. 1st level was not
sure of the answer and said "Hang on while I get in touch with someone
knowledgable in that area." I am very confident that the person I spoke to
was knowledgable with regards to my coverage as it applies to rental
vehicles. For all I know I _was_ talking to an underwriter.
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