OT: Warning: California's Vehicle Code §5201

Apr 14, 2026 Last reply: 3 months ago 10 Replies

Warning: if you are living or planning on visiting the People's Republic of California (PRC) by automobile any time soon, under the PRC's Vehicle Code §5201, a license plate must be clearly visible and legible, and nothing can obstruct *any* part. And that includes license plate frames, backup camera mounts. etc..



It is a $1000.00 fine.



Utter statist lunacy.

Have they run 'clean out' of emissions to legislate against?

Californicators suck.

The PRC is a real mess right now. This is what you get from a one party state.

I contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle.

--Winston Churchill

Socialism is the philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance and the gospel of envy. Its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

--Winston Churchill

I would disagree a bit with the "equal sharing of misery" comment. The "nomenclature" lives rather well. In opulence beyond western understating.

Check the facts. Florida has the same now, it it to prevent toll evasion. You can have a frame but cannot cover information. Certainly makes sense to most people.

License Plate Obstruction or Alteration — AB 1085 (Stefani)

Makes it an infraction with a fine of $1,000 to manufacture in California a product or device that obscures, or is intended to obscure or interfere with the visual or electronic reading of a license plate, addressing the use of illegal license plate covers that enable toll evasion and other criminal activity

Key Requirements of CVC 5201: Mounting: Plates must be rigidly mounted (no swinging) to prevent obscuring any part. Visibility: The characters must be upright and readable from left to right. Covers and Frames: It is illegal to use any covering that obscures the plates, including clear, tinted, or "anti-camera" covers, as noted by the CHP Stockton. Frames cannot cover the state name, month, or date stickers. Condition: Plates must be maintained in a clearly legible condition

Yes, they should let people continue to evade tolls!

And they still haven't built any refineries to cope with the spor market mess Gray Davis and their assembly left them in - almost 30 years on!

Well cited!

No they aren't.

You are free to take the bus or walk. Sorry, Red, people like you are too mushminded to be allowed behind the wheel.

You should join your local Sovereign Citizens booboisie. They can tell you all your other magical Rights that you're missing out on.

You must learn:

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"The U.S. District Court for the Southern District of New York recently clarified the constitutional uses of toll revenue in American Trucking Associations v. New York State Thruway Authority, 13 Civ. 8123 (CM) (S.D.N.Y. Aug. 10, 2016). In this case, commercial trucking companies and the American Trucking Associations (ATA) claimed that the New York State Thruway Authority violated the Constitution by charging inflated toll rates to cover the operations and maintenance costs of the New York State Canal System. The Court agreed.

The plaintiffs engage in interstate commerce and pay tolls to use the Thruway, the portion of the Interstate Highway System that runs from New York City to Buffalo. The Thruway Authority charges tolls that exceed the needs of the Thruway in order to cover the costs of operating and maintaining the Canal System. The Canal System serves as a recreational and tourist attraction. In her decision, Chief Judge McMahon held that the Thruway Authority’s practice of charging higher tolls to cover the costs of the Canal System unduly burdened interstate commerce in violation of the so-called Dormant Commerce Clause of the Constitution.

In arriving at her decision, McMahon invoked the test set forth by the Supreme Court in Northwest Airlines, Inc. v. County of Kent, 510 U.S.

355 (1994), which finds that a user fee or toll is constitutionally permissible only if it meets three requirements. First, the toll or user fee must be based on some fair approximation of the use of the facilities for which it is paid. Second, the toll or user fee must not be excessive in relation to the benefits conferred from the use of those facilities. Third, the toll or user fee must not discriminate against interstate commerce."

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"The recurring theme in McMahon’s decision relates to the plaintiffs’ use or benefit from the off-system diversion of user fees or toll revenue. In this case, she found that the Thruway’s practice of using toll revenue from the Thruway to support the Canal System violated the Constitution. However, she distinguished the situation in the instant case from another federal decision relating to the use of highway toll revenue for public transit, which found that such use was permissible because transit alleviated congestion on the facilities that were being tolled, creating a functional relationship that conveyed a benefit to those paying the toll. Automobile Club of New York, Inc. v. Port Authority, 887 F.2d 417, 421 (2d Cir. 1989).

In the wake of the New York Thruway decision, ATA President and CEO Chris Spear said that he hopes this decision will dissuade other states from financing their budget shortfalls on the backs of our industry. Indeed, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that as a result of the decision, ATA plans to review similar situations in other states to ascertain what further actions the organization could take.

Another potential impact could be felt in Oklahoma, where the Oklahoma Turnpike Authority is considering a 17 percent increase in toll rates to finance new construction. The ultimate legality of such an increase could also turn on the location of the projects to be funded with the Turnpike toll revenue and the relationship those projects have with the Turnpike itself.

It seems as though the tolling practices of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey is always the subject of dispute. In fact, the Automobile Association of New York is again suing the Port Authority, arguing that the Port Authority’s recent toll increase is unconstitutional due to its intended use to fund redevelopment of the World Trade Center.

The most significant potential impact of the New York Thruway decision, though, may have nothing to do with tolls. The Northwest Airlines decision applies to user fees as well as tolls, as McMahon notes in her decision. If federal courts interpret the Dormant Commerce Clause to apply to motor fuel and other excise taxes in the same way the New York Thruway decision applies this rubric to tolls, then the potential impact could be extreme. The question of whether or not an excise tax is legally tantamount to a user fee is murky, especially when such taxes are firewalled into trust funds with specific eligible uses."

That's normal in any normal country. Since a hundred years ago. :-P

Yes, you can get on your horse and go across the states. That says nothing about providing paved highways for use with an automobile. The states are free to collect the funding any way they want. taxes and tolls are quite common.

Evidently: > You are NOT terribly smart

Yah, Democrats demand free stuff from the taxpayers every day.

FWIW, the driver's license requirement is racist.

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