OT: Looks like reality has caught up to recycling....

[Rod Speed]

Never said it made any sense, in fact with my comment about bin liners, I in fact said it was silly and pointless.

Yes you can, it just has to be a reusable one, not a single use one.

And it continues past the checkout all the way to your home just like it always did. But that's not the bag you put all the stuff in to move it from the checkout to your car.

Corse it isnt, but it does reduce the number of bags that are used move stuff from the checkout to your house which are then discarded into the trash at your house.

Most did have quite a few discarded even when they did use some of them as bin liners.

I didn't mean those, I meant the ones the put the beer into. And no, I don't think those glasses in the rooms are sanitised and I don't use those for anything. I drink the beer from a glass bottle in the room, or from a can if I can't get the beer in a glass bottle. They are quite happy to supply the beer in the rooms in glass bottles or cans, whichever you prefer.

Don't need to, I know what they do with them and have done for well over 3/4 of a century now.

I drink from the glass or plastic or can, whatever the drink comes in.

[trader_4]

+1

Actually, many times I wind up with a lot more of those bags for vegs, fruit, rolls, etc, than I do with the general use plastic bags.

[gfretwell]

So you are throwing away 50 pieces of plastic packaging but it was that bag they put your groceries in to get to the car that was the problem. It is bullshit and you bought into it.

[gfretwell]

It is actually pretty hard to find anything at the grocery store that isn't in some kind of plastic package but the enviro idiots decided it was the one at the checkout counter that was the problem. It is like the straws. There is 5-10 times as much plastic in the top they put on the cup.

[Rod Speed]

Its easy here with the loose fruit and veg but you normally put that into a big plastic bag and that gets weighed at the checkout with all but the biggest stuff like say an iceberg lettuce, cabbage or pineapple.

Because it's the one that can be replaced with a reusable bag.

Nothing like in fact.

We don't use straws or plastic cups for beer and softdrink, drink it out of the bottle or can.

[Rod Speed]

You're just saying what I said right from the start, stupid.

[Rod Speed]

Its much more about being quite easy to move from single use bags at checkouts to reusable bags and impossible to move from the use of plastic trays and shrink wrap back to having a butcher in each supermarket wrapping what you want in butchers paper anymore.

Let alone a return to the old approach of a truck with half carcases hanging on hooks in the truck with someone carrying them in to the butchers shop over their shoulder and having butchers cut up the carcasses for customers.

Same with a return to the original glass returnable bottles.

Even more complicated with stuff like iceberg lettuce. Something like 75% still use the old approach of loose individual lettuces with someone ripping off the outer leaves on the ones not yet sold every day to a few putting the whole thing in a plastic bag.

[Rod Speed]

We don’t at 3 of ours now, just at 2 now.

So we are stuck with the packaging, as I said. And its not even clear that the large amounts of butchers paper is actually better for the environment than the plastic packaging either. Yes, the paper decomposes quicker, but making it is much worse for the environment in the first place and much more CO2 is produced with paper too.

Never seen that but I havent used stand alone butchers for more than half a century now.

And the production of it is much worse for the environment.

Yeah, that’s the way I get my steak because I prefer to cut it up myself to get the steaks I prefer size and thickness wise. And that plastic is much thicker than what the end user gets on the supermarket shelves. Double layered with the last one.

I noticed that the meat specialist I got the slab of steak from, who sells all sorts of meat, mostly in the usual individual packaging you see in supermarkets is selling what they call beef cheeks. We used to feed that to our dogs in the 50s calling it ox cheeks. We never ate it.

In spades with the much more common plastic bottles now.

No its not and isnt with stuff like apples, oranges, potatoes etc. I've never seen cabbages in plastic bags, or pineapples either.

[gfretwell]

Lettuce is a far more fragile product

[gfretwell]

All 3. "Fragile" in the sense that it is generally eaten raw (sanitation), it wilts a lot faster than cabbage if exposed to air, and bugs love it. That plastic bag is not providing any protection against concussive injury.

[Rod Speed]

Doesn't explain apples and oranges which mostly are too.

Never found a bug in my lettuce and most of it is still sold not in a plastic bag.

Sure.

[angelicapaganelli]

I find the occasional partly-crushed flying insect in my romaine.

Cindy Hamilton

[Rod Speed]

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I don’t normally buy that sort of lettuce. I usually grow that myself. Never had any luck growing icebergs but lots of luck with the romaine except when I grow in it the peak of summer and it goes to see very quickly. We have 10 days in a row over 100F most summers and had

3 of those last summer with some days over 47C. Goes to seed very quickly in those conditions.

[gfretwell]

Oranges are peeled before you eat them and apples are wax coated so they wash easy. I wash oranges too.

You are lucky or maybe you just ate them and didn't notice.

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