On 2/10/2016 11:54 PM, email@example.com wrote:
I don't need any fancy features such as double-sided, just good basic
color and BW printing and scanning. Polite opinions invited.
Good luck with the ink monsters. I bought an inexpensive multi-function
black and white laser and wouldn't go back. If you *must* have color be
prepared to pay out the nose for timed and/or dried out cartridges.
IME, a *lot* depends on how much you print and what types of things
you print -- and quantities.
Inkjets don't like to be left unused for long periods. Carts
dry out, nozzles clog, etc. You spend a fair bit of time getting
*a* print, let alone the print you are actually HAPPY with!
Lasers tend to be more tolerant of "non-use". Though they can
also suffer from long idle periods (mechanisms tend to get gummed
up, scraper blades get brittle, etc.).
Inkjet colors tend to be more vibrant than laser (IME). Inkjet is
much slower than laser; you'd not want to print out a LOT on
And, of course, inkjet ink is pricier than laser toner.
Most of our printing (and I suspect most of MOST FOLKS' printing)
can easily be accommodated with B&W. Those things that you really want
to see in color you probably want to see in *good* color! You don't
want to wonder why the "reds are funny" or the faces are a bit yellow,
I've kept a Sony photoprinter:
<(Amazon.com product link shortened)>
for the few times when I need a photo (4x6") and the trip to Kinko's
is impractical (after hours, busy doing something else, etc.). But,
when I run out of "print cartridges" (paper+"ink"), it will probably
get discarded; I think the cartridges are too expensive compared to
what I can get "up the corner".
I cling to a Phaser 8200DP:
for printing proof copies of my publications. The colors are rich and
vivid, the (solid) ink doesn't degrade over time and the prints have a
"magazine like" finish to them. But, mainly, I've color calibrated
the printer (along with my monitors and scanners) so I can KNOW what
the actual colors will be when reproduced by a commercial service
bureau (print shop).
It'll be a tough decision to decide what to do with it when I run out
of ink blocks! :<
[And, the "melted crayons" scent when printing is hugely nostalgic!]
From my experience the ram chip on it will likely fail the week after
you buy another box of wax. I was involved with 2 of them. Replaced
the RAM on one (almost $300 for the "proprietary" ram chip - then the
second one also had a ram failure and the customer nixed the repair,
so it was thrown out - with the left over wax going to the first
customer. A year or so later it got a RAM error again - just as the
wax was running out, so it got binned as well.
On 2/11/2016 2:48 PM, firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
I've had this machine for at least 5 years (using my recollection of when
the friend who helped me load it into the car moved away from here).
To date, no problems. I thought the disk drive would quit but it's
not been a problem.
Biggest issue is ink wastage on power up. So, have to PLAN when I will
be using it (silly to power it up for *one* page!)
I'd be more concerned that I won't be able to find ink/spares for
it as time passes.
But, when/if that time comes, I would have no problem discarding
it -- *if* I paid for it (many items come to me from friends
wanting to upgrade their kit), I would have paid "surplus value":
etc. The "supplies" being essentially free (plastic/ink having no
I used to have an 860. Discarded it when I ran out of ink blocks
(cuz I had the 8200 to take its place!).
On 2/11/2016 2:33 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Never overlook local surplus equipment auctions!
Schools, cities/counties, businesses, etc. frequently
have them! Many bargains to be had!
But, they usually aren't "full page ads in the Sunday paper"
so you have to know where to find them.
The local university has a surplus equipment auction every
two weeks. Amazing to see how much stuff they "discard":
Your Tax Dollars At Work.
Thanks for all the replies.
Interesting about the HP "locking up" for printing. That's what happened t
o my HP. It would copy and scan, but showed up a "paper jam" when addressed
remotely to try to print. My soon who is a computer geek could not figure
it out, and since the paper obviously wasn't blocked or jammed since it pr
inted/copied whatever was on the platen, I am going to avoid HP like the pl
Off to get my Consumer reports magazines out of the file cabinet.
On Thu, 11 Feb 2016 16:23:02 -0800 (PST), firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
Other than HP's professional grade stuff, they make a lot of
fantastic junk. The "phantom paper jam" even hits some of their pro
stuff. For as long as they've been in the (printer) business you'd
think they'd have it figured out by now - kinda like GM and compact
cars - - -
I think the phantom paper jam thing is caused by a torque sensor on the feed
stepper motor . Probably a current sensor , if the motor drags it draws more
current . No one really seems to know what the cause is and I'm just
I've had *very* good experiences with Brother printer/scanners -- my first one just died last
summer after about 12 years. I have one at home and one in my office; the one in the office
is over 6 years old and still going strong.
I've been using Brother ink until the warranty expires, then buying aftermarket ink cartridges
on Amazon thereafter, and have had no problems.
I've had one too many bad experiences with HP customer "service" to ever buy, or
recommend, their products again. IMO, it's no coincidence that "Hewlett Packard" sounds a
lot like "Useless Bastard".
Sadly, "HP" is the schlock half of the *old* (pre-breakup) "HP".
Their early printer products were delightfully robust! I don't
think you could break an LJII or LJIII with a 3 pound sledge hammer!
When they decided to go into the *ink* business, they sold their
soul. Some of their printers are almost entirely plastic -- with
the electronics on a single PCB "bolted on the back". I.e., when
recycling these, you simply snap off the circuit board (it is designed
to be removable -- no doubt because that's all HP does when it
"repairs" a unit) and toss the rest in the trash (plastic having little
or NO recycle value)
I wouldn't mind if the printer was an expensive, robust mechanism
and you "paid the price" in consumables. But, when the printer is
a piece of trash, it's sort of insulting to then be paying through
the nose for "multicolored, liquid cocaine"!
[When folks give me "new(er)" printers, I smile, say "Thank You" and
then discard (recycle) them. Nothing there worth my time to repair
On Saturday, February 13, 2016 at 2:16:47 AM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:
Being an "engineer" I surprised you don't see the quality in the Epsons. Seiko Epson has been designing computer printers for 55 yrs. Getting a huge boost from its successful EP-101, and eventually renaming the company to EP'son.
I worked on their printers designed for POS and was intrigued by the watch precision.
On Sat, 13 Feb 2016 06:19:23 -0800 (PST), bob_villain
In dot matrix,and thermal, EPSON was king, even though Brother
invented the dot matrix printer.
Fujutsu made excellent matrix printers too - as did/does Oki Data.
Oki also makes a very good "led" printer - like a laser but with no
rotating mirrors and other complicated mechanisms -
Yhey don't even repair them. It's often a mechanical problem - like
a split gear or clutch - and if they fail under warranty they just
send you a new one and don't even want any part of the old one back.
On 2/13/2016 12:52 PM, email@example.com wrote:
Exactly. HP had that down to a "science" on their inkjets:
one board (the only real "value" in the product) on the back
where it could be easily removed and the rest of the printer
(virtually all plastic except for the rails for the carriage)
can get binned.
"Hello, is this HP parts? I'd like to buy that tiny piece of
plastic that holds the carriage during the paper advance cycle.
You know, if's the little white thingy about the size of a
paperclip... Whaddya mean, you don't sell it? A first class
postage stamp has got to cost more than the whole damn thing??!"
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