I was just looking at tickets from DTW to RSW (Detroit to Ft Myers), The best coach fare I could find a month out was $917 and First class could be had in that flight for $1114. (Delta) By the time you check a few bags and buy a few drinks, it is a wash. I know it is Christmas but if you are not getting a super saver fare somewhere the difference is not that much and those super fare tickets are limited. They sell out fast on popular routes or at popular travel times.
Before you get to excited, remember who gets called "unemployed by BLS. Those are the people who are actively looking for a job and do not include people who just gave up or who are working at best buy. It would be more telling to find out how many people have the education but refuse to work at the same pay an Indian will take, even if they were offered. There are advantages to an H1B person beyond just the current salary. If they start making demands, it is back to Mumbai for you Sanjay.
Recalling the Y2K mania. Afterwards I was talking to a friend about it and said, "What are they going to do with all the computer people they hired?" He said, "Ship them back to India."
Back in '93 when I had to accept my parachute/early retirement from the chemical industry there were over 6,000 unemployed chemists in the Philadelphia region. I knew several of us that got into real estate and other jobs.
I'm not the one getting excited, it's Breitbart, Mr. T and the trumpets. The unemployment rate has always been measured the same way. Are all those STEM trained workers in STEM jobs? Of course not. Someone gets a degree in biology and finds there are better opportunities in another non-tech field, that's how free markets work. But for sure when the unemployment rate is at 2.5%, there is no widespread problem with STEM people unable to find employment. The bold, clear comment that was made was this:
Where is your cite..lets see it!!
RINO and Dems always say that. They never point out the unemployment rate among STEM workers.
Note also the instant diversion from providing the cite, providing the FACTS, to one of name calling, "RINOS and DEMS always say that...." It's so typical, it's the Trump and trumpet way. Make some BS claim, then stick by it, claim that everyone else is making up fake news. I just provided the actual statistics, straight from the govt, as they have always been reported.
So, you think McDonald's or BestBuy are paying more than Intel does an Indian engineer? And BTW, there is only one pay scale, they don't have one for Indians, one for Americans.
I only question how they derive 2.5%. I was a data guy and I understand database "views". You can pretty much get any number you want depending on how you structure the search.
There is also the problem that a person with a STEM education would also have to move to that job so the guy at Best Buy might be a Michigan grad working in Grand Rapids as a union retail clerk. If I was in Mumbai, I could not make Best Buy wages (union or not) so it might be worth moving to Palo Alto. The problem is the UM guy also may have $40k in college loans.
Like I said, they derive it the same way they've collected unemployment data for half a century or more. I think you were there too with your prior post, where you said they count people who are looking for work, don't count people who have taken some job other than what they would like, those who have given up, etc. Under that accounting, a number of 5% in overall unemployment was considered full employment by economists for decades. It was only in the 90s when it went even lower, that they recognized even lower levels were possible without inflation or other problems.
What I'd like to see is Mr. T give us *his* numbers. He's the one claiming there is some god awful unemployment problem among STEM people in general. I'm simply saying that 2.5% shows there isn't a big, widespread problem. If you read that report it does say that in some areas of STEM employment there are more people looking than there are jobs available, while in other areas it's the other way around. Welcome to free markets. Also note in that report that from the great recession until now, the unemployment rate among STEM people has been half what it is for the overall economy.
I agree. They could easily have many times that in student loans. For many people, faced with spending $150K or more for college, it's probably a wiser choice just from an economic standpoint to start a business, assuming you have the skills for it. And I won't argue that there are some abuses of H1B going on and I have no problem in looking into that and making changes. What I do disagree with is that there is high STEM unemployment in general or that if one has some basic planning, they can't tailor their education and goals to areas where employment prospects are the highest.
In another year, you'll have Trump and the trumpets crowing about that lower than 2.5% unemployment rate and trying to take credit for it, saying how Trump has turned STEM employment around, while nothing has really changed or it's only been marginal. He;s already doing it with economic growth in general, claiming for example that a 200K monthly jobs number now is tremendous, while a year ago under Obama 260K was a terrible failure.
I'm surprised you know anything!!
Wanna know what kills jobs? Age!
I worked/lived/dated in Silly-Con Valley. Know who get's laid off? Older ppl. Break the glass ceiling? You can die in yer place. Regular grunt? You gonna get laid off. ;)
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When my company was cutting back and I had to leave I had rock solid proof of age discrimination.
Age discrimination was what forced me to start my own business. So I do hear you. Now even the young guys can't get a STEM jobs, unless they qualify for an H1b visa.
Frank posted for all of us...
I knew one of them. He moved to Florida. A nice guy. I wonder what happened to the rest of them.
Uncle Monster posted for all of us...
agency that caters to minorities and tell them that I self-identify as a Black Lesbian then demand Affirmative Action loans and scholarships. It's amusing to out-absurd Liberal/Leftists Freaks. ?(?)?
Well, you get your own bathroom now...
trader_4 posted for all of us...
Cite it. When, where, how. Don't quote any mainstream news sources. Quote actual speeches or writings that can be verified.
trader_4 posted for all of us...
This is exactly why you are so wrong. You include everybody whom doesn't agree with you as a Trump supporter then label them as racist. You don't know me and yet you label me and are unwilling to have a reasonable discussion. Why don't you find a political group that agrees with your ideology and join that and stay away from here.
You're a liar. I only label people trumpets when they actually support Trump. And I only call them racists when they make obvious, racist comments. Like this:
"Obama IS a Gay Muslim Mullatto DeCommiecrat "
When you drag someone's skin color into an attack on them, it's racist. And Trump has encouraged this kind of despicable behavior. And then the trumpets wonder why people think they are racist when they make and/or tolerate other people making racist remarks.
You don't
I just had a "reasonable" discussion with you. And once again, notice who thinks people should go away and stop expressing their ideas. It's not me.
Meanwhile you refuse to address the truth, that the STEM unemployment rate, as reported by the US govt, under Trump, was just 2.5% in 2015 and rapidly falling. Then you have the nerve to call American media "Pravda", when you're the one spewing BS and refusing to address the actual facts, even when they are in front of you. If young guys can't get STEM jobs, it's either because they are not trained or chose a field where it's well known that it's going to be harder to find a job. But overall, the STEM employment opportunities are excellent.
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She was on the public dole for 8-9 years because SHE claimed a native American heritage, which she has not proven.
The rest of your post was more of your constant unproven unsolicited blathering which MUST be taken to a political newsgroup.
I have stated before that your on-topic non-political postings to this grou p are welcome and usually spot on. You work yourself into a lather and RANT which I believe most posters tend to ignore.
So pathetic, yet so typical from those that defend Trump. The issue isn't about Warren, what she is or isn't, it's about TRUMP turning a ceremony honoring WWII vets into an ATTACK ON WARREN. All he had to do was thank them for their service, honor them. Instead he turned it into another stupid, divisive moment.
Classic. You requested specific cites of Trump's divisive behavior. I gave it to you, the actual statements, TRUMP IN HIS OWN WORDS, right there, just as you asked for. That was the challenge YOU issued. Now you say it's "unproven". What a sad sack of dishonesty you are. And then you wonder why people call you the deplorables?
And now more lying. A few posts ago you said I should get out of here and only post elsewhere. Why do you lie?
I got him K-F'ed. It's not worth wading through all his crap to find a pearl there.
Yes indeed. Thanks for showing everyone what you trumpets are all about and how you got to be that way. Killfile anyone that has a differing view, refuse to look at the news because it's "fake", yet eschew as gospel any gossip, anything culled from any website that supports your views. Or any of the many lies coming from Trump's big mouth. Trump loves you uneducated voters.
And it's really special in this thread, where you have an imbecile claiming that there is horrific, widespread, unemployment in STEM, when I just gave you all a link to the actual US govt STEM employment report, under TRUMP, that shows STEM unemployment was just 2.5% in 2015 and steadily declining.
Feel free to keep representing for the trumpets.
So, therefore . . . ?
I despise Elizabeth Warren but the comments by the leader of the free world come off like junior high school. He demeaned the Office of President and the citizens of the United States.
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