OT: ever wonder why you can't get a STEM job?

Well, I am surprised it took this long.

Report: Foreign Nationals Outnumber Americans in High-Paying, White-Collar Silicon Valley Jobs

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The H1b visa program has to go. You want a foreigner to replace an American, you should have to sponsor him. (Means you have to pay American wages and he can quit and not get sent back home.)

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No, I've never wondered that, because I have a STEM job. Not in Silicon Valley, but in the Midwest.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

+1 Same here. I spent over two decades in high tech, I never had a problem getting a job, never saw my job taken by a foreigner, etc. With all the explosive growth, I never saw a problem. I have encountered some people, who have. An example was a woman I was dating years ago. She got a degree in biology, wound up working for the govt fishery folks, who monitor fishing catches. She was bitter, complaining about the "system", how hard it is to find a job, etc. Well, if you choose to get a degree in biology, only get an undergrad degree, then you should know that it's not the place to be for the higher paying, better growth jobs. Had she gotten a degree in electrical engineering or computer science, there would have been explosive growth opportunities. And then you have her negative outlook, which I warned her could become self-fulfilling, but she wouldn't have any of it. No, it was all that the world, the system was unfair to her, because she couldn't get a great job with a BS in biology.
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trader_4

This is far more than a 60 minutes story. It simply is something that is happening. I know you want to spin this that it is all people with advanced engineering degrees coming in on an H1B but most of these people are doing mundane jobs that only require the "skill" of being able to live in Northern California on $40k a year.

Trump is not using the H1B, he is using H2B, a different breed of cat altogether. H2Bs are not about skill, they are about pure labor. It is pretty hard to find a person in Palm Beach Florida who will wash dishes or clean rooms for $11 an hour and actually show up every day. The same is true in the construction business down here. $25 an hour will not attract a decent brick layer locally or from up north but there are plenty of Mexicans who will do it and they won't think it is their god given right to update their facebook page every 15 minutes.

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gfretwell

And for how much longer?

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T

Not ad hominem but just an obvious observation by us.

BTW

We are not trying to educate you, just trying to annoy you.

It's working ;)

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Frank

Frank, I know you, Uncle and Mr. T and all the trumpets are wigging out today. Not a good day for you all. Looks like Flynn has flipped and is going to be telling all to Mueller. As Homer Simpson would say, Dooh! And you know the best part? When he sings like a canary, what can Trump say? He's been saying what a swell guy he is. He can flip, just like he did with George Popodopoulis, going from he's a great, qualified guy, to IDK the lying bum, but it will be fun to watch! This could be the beginning of the end......

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trader_4

That's the essence of it. I spent the first third of my working life in the steel mills and as an autoworker. It was no surprise to me to see the IT jobs suffer the same fate. These guys thought they were "special," and immune. They weren't.

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Vic Smith

I was in the computer hardware biz and that is pretty much all gone. Computers and offshore assemblies replaced fixing things. Now the support processor diagnoses the problem and tells the operator what to plug in. The part may already be ordered. STEM for the most part is software and network management. The scary thing is how much of that can be done directly from Asia. As a guy who worked in some computer rooms that had copper screen wire around them this whole "cloud" and internet thing baffles me, I know the internet is how you reach out but why do you let them in and let strangers have your data.?

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gfretwell

Sometimes when I think about the business model of my company I have to giggle. We buy boards whose components are made in China, stick them in a chassis, add some software, and about 30% of the time, ship the finished system back to China.

They've got millions of engineers. Why do they bother ordering from us?

Oh, well. It pays the bills.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

And why does China's Okay Airways buy Boeings?  What not buy the Harbor Freight "Beoing" knock-offs with Predator engines?

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Amelia Earhart

I couldn't care less about our resident Traitor. Too many nuts around to feel sorry for him.

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Frank

To entice Boeing to build plants in China so they can get the technology? You do know who builds the 787 wings don't you? China is jealous.

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rbowman

trader_4 posted for all of us...

Give us a detailed posting of how you would solve the problem.

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Tekkie®

Think we have all seen public schools going downhill with political correctness and desegregation.

The latter happened here when the county wanted to consolidate school systems and did not include the cities. There was no segregation in the schools in the county but city students were pushed into districts where they did not live. This happened over 45 years ago and the irony is that the city wants to change it back.

Political correctness is that you cannot punish students for misbehaving and disturbing the classroom. I observed it myself in doing a few days of voluntary substitute teaching.

Teachers are dedicated but not to blame although there are some lousy teachers but then there are teachers unions to protect them.

I pointed out before that my sons will not send their kids to the schools that they have attended.

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Frank

Many years ago I saw wings being made at Seattle. It was more impressive than seeing aircraft assembly which is boring although the hangars are big enough to contain their own eco systems and weather. Also impressed with Boeing R&D. They were testing components of old aircraft to make sure they maintained air worthiness.

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Frank

Wings ain't what they used to be. The big jets always did have some droop but the carbon fiber composites almost flap like a seagull. I don't know if it was primarily cost or if Mitsubishi is state of the art for CF.

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It was in the '90s when I was driving OTR, well before the 787, when I loaded interiors in Jacksonville bound for Everett.

Trivia: there is a 787 with the ANA (All Nippon Airways) paint at the Pima Air & Space Museum in Tucson, one of the very few current aircraft they have. It was the one used for testing and since ANA was the first customer it got their paint scheme. The operational limits were exceeded on purpose in testing so it could not be placed in commercial service and became a museum piece.

I'll probably never fly on one. Between the TSA and the 'how many sardines can you get in the can?' race I've become allergic to commercial flight.

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rbowman

Pay a few bucks extra and fly up front. It is the only way I will get on a plane. Besides a better seat, better food and free drinks, you get shorter lines everywhere, on and off the plane first and a flight attendant who only has a few people to keep happy. They also treat you a whole lot better if you get stuck somewhere.

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gfretwell

Pay a few bucks less and fly there on your schedule:

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Jimbo

I agree with you in all respects, except that it's not just a few bucks more. Many, in a lot of cases most, of those seats are folks using frequent flyer miles. We used miles to go to China on Cathay Pacific. Those first class tickets were $25,000 each if you paid for them. It was something though. I had 3 whole windows for myself, a seat that was Jabba the Hut size that went fully flat and there were only

3 of us in first class, with two flight attendants tending to us. We left JFK late morning, and by about 2:30 it was getting dark as we neared the north pole.
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trader_4

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