OT bank notification of debit card use, continued

I have to read this in more detail, but assuming it convinces me to stop using the debit card, doesn't that mean I should also stop carrying it? OTOH, of course if I lose my wallet I'll notice that pretty quickly, so maybe the danger with the DebitCard is that it will be skimmed and the numbers known**. So that would mean not using it is enough.

**Does skimming get the expiration date and the 3-number code on the back? If not, how do they use it?

But it seems the result will be the same in the long run. If I lose the dispute or fail to dispute it, I'll lose the money, debit or credit. And if I win the dispute, I'll either retain the money or get it back, and those two are close enough to each other that I'd be happy either way.

Someone with all his money in the debit account could be, but even now that I've started keeping more money there, it's never over 4000. Except during this trip when it is up to 7000^^^. If they were to, temporarily, get the whole 7000, I'd be very unhappy, but I still have two credit cards to live on (except I think the charges for cash advances are very high. ??? But I guess I would have to do it. Yes, that's the reason I use the debit card, because the only charge for cash from the ATM is ....see below***

^^^From which is paid my supplemental health insurance, storage unit, phone, electricity, etc., at least 1200 of bills (for 3 months) back in the states, But I put more in than I'll need, just in case.

To use a credit card for this, I'd have to take out a cash advance on the CC for all the cash I expect to need for the whole trip, (or bring all that cash with me). Or I can get less, but do it several times. My recollectiion is that there's an initial charge for borrowing the money that would make doing it several times substantially more expensive.

So I'm going to predict that you will say to get cash from ATMs *at a bank^^, as opposed to a gas station etc.* with the debit card and use the credit card for everything else?????? Am I right about that?

^^On the theory that a bank's ATM won't skim my card

** well it may be mrore that the 1% I said in another post, because I didn't consider that they might use a penalizing exchange rate, or a good exchange rate and just not tell me what the local bank charges for handing out the money. They should charge something. They're not even my bank.! )

One of the advantages of being thrifty all my life (and not having a wife or children, and not having great economic losses) is that I'm very far from this situation. I calculated roughtly that I have enough money (though conceivably not enough interest or energy) to take 11 week vacations like this every year.^^^^. (When I was working full time, of coursse I couldnt' take vacations over 2 weeks, but I'm

70 y.o. now and in great health except overweight and back hurts sometimes.) But even this trip is cheap by, for example, my brother's standards. He's still working, and makes a lot more money than I did. For me, this trip was under 1000 for the air fare, 1600 for the car, 2200 for the rented room^^^, maybe 500 for gasoline , 220 for the phone (plus 18 for 3 months of a skype number**** and an undeteterminable amount for restaurants and grocery food to eat at "home" (and in the car.) . So that's 5550 plus food for 11 weeks. .

^^^And there were cheaper rooms. I should have started serious looking 6 weeks in advance. Instead it was 4.5. I wrote 4 emails to craigslist people, 3 replied, one could handle only parts of the time I wanted, one was never going to be there, and at 3.4 weeks I panicked and took the one that was expensive. I should have started earlier or sent more emails, though there were not, for example, 10 good choices. Maybe 6 or 7, but new ones every couple days.

^^^^It's hard to calculate how much it will eat into my savings and how much that will decrease the income on my savings. Compound interest in reverse. And how long I will live and if I'll be very sick for a while, need nursing care or nursing home. I guess I should look into long-term care insurance to take some (or could it be all?) of the uncertainty out of that expense.

**** I only mention Skype because it was a really good investment if you have people to give the number to who might call you. But what is interesting is that Verizon dumped its email on AOL, which I think it owns, and it expected me to reregister and confirm my identity with a phone number, and it only gave 10 spaces for numbers. No way online for it to call a foreign number. But the Skype number worked fine (for a phone call. First I tried twice to get them to text me. Later I saw that Skype on the PC won't accept texts, but the phone is supposed to. The phone has Skype that also rings when I get a call, but the texts never showed up. But like I say, the phone call worked.
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I tried to call the local gasoline company today, to learn about their end of things (The gas station guy gave me their number, told me to call them, and he's right.) but I couldn't get the phone to work. My landlady/roommate told me it's a toll-free number but it's one can't call from a cell phone!!!! So tomorrow I'll use her home phone.

For that, they'd need the actual card. Which indeed I could lose, but they'd also need the PIN (which is memorized and not written on the card.)

This is btw, why I want those email alerts, not to read about my purchases but about whoever that guy is who's spending my money.

Good point. I think I was carried away with the fact that in this case, it wasn't fraud and the merchant ... well he didn't have a good explanation since he could barely speak English, but he pointed me to one.

Yes, the bank is mostly just saying "Go away, kid. You bother me."

But it's not because of the bank that I went first to the gas station. I wanted to hear from him first. Glad I did.

And I appreciate it. I'm going to send your original letter to my niece and nephew for their birthdays.

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It was sarcasm. Or understatement, or something like that.

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On 05/07/2017 2:54 PM, Micky wrote: ...

AIUI, the skimming device clones the card data and records your keystrokes so for them "Yes, Virginia, there _is_ a Santa Claus!" if your happen to be the lucky one. Of course, on that end, the CC is no different as being compromised, it's just the difference it consumer protection rules and how the two physically work that is different.

I'm not trying to convince you or anybody else to do anything; only point out what is/isn't actually the liability limit by law as opposed to your issuer's policy which can be changed at their will so I consider those of much less value than what is actually set in statute.

I'd expect most cards that are lost are actually mislaid by themselves, not as the complete wallet by some distraction or other mishap during the process of being used. If that were to occur, the two-day thing might not be all that long altho I'll grant 60 days surely ought to not be difficult to manage; again, though, just pointing out that the limits established by statute are different. ...

I'm apparently at least a couple years ahead of you and I've not used an ATM in my life and expect to meet my maker in that virgin state--I've just never had desperately needed cash-in-hand...of course, in normal business all farm transactions are on account for everything I buy so I don't have any need for cash except for the mornings I make it to the donut shop for coffee klatch... :)

A prime reason besides the above limits/that they are debit factors is that I simply don't want to have to remember a PIN. When the local bank didn't want to convert the DB to CC for the convenience, I had it canceled and have never looked back. That was 15+ year ago...

I've not dealt with an extended overseas stay; the several times for work were only a couple weeks at a time. That by now has been almost 20 year ago now as Dad passed the week we got back from the last and we came back to the farm following that and I quit the consulting gig after finishing up the last 18-months or so of backlog. Back then, you dealt with it with traveler's checks; I suppose they're now about as common as the dodo bird, too.

I'd have trouble with the parking lot as well as I don't have a smart mobile device that would work with their app, 3G reception or not...

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They certainly do. Many stations take the money up front and set the pump to give only what you paid for.

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For cash you need the PIN, but you can use it as a credit card to buy merchandise. Under $50 or so you don't even sign for it.

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Not just the lots but the on-street parking too, on the commercial streets and sometimes elsewhere. But I've decided that even if the parking were free, it's easier to turn on to a side street and drive until there's a parking place than it is to find a parking place on one of the busy commercial streets.

There are also 3 more icons representing places to use the app but I don't remember what they are.

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Micky

I forgot about that, because in the states I use the debit card all the time (I'll have to check if I get emails about more money than I actually spend at US gas stations, self-service. The only place near me with service is New Jersey, where the law requires them to give service.)

But here, one guy told me that you don't have to pay in advance. Glad you reminded me I might be wrong. I'll check on that some more. But even if it's the same here, that doesn't change the fact that they send notices and call them "transactions" when they are only holds, they don't say either in the email or in a later email when the hold is released (it might be 30 days in some cases and that might be why the car rental keeps doing it again every 30 days) and it doesn't send one specifying the actual amount charged.

On an earlier occasion, I was talking to BOA when a charge disappeared (because he couldn't get the pump to work, but it took hours or tens of hours to disappear), and I asked her, Why didn't I get an email. She said, We didn't cancel it, the merchant did. This also means it DID show up on my monthly statement -- I remember that I saw it there

-- even though it was just a hold, unless it was an actual debit that later got reversed. Either way. That's some hing I can definitely check out. Usually I buy gas on the way out, or in the middle of the day, and when I come home I'm tired and I put off buying gas until the next day. But I can buy it just before I get back here, and see if the amount at first matches what is on the pump, or is greater.

Transaction: The act of transacting.

Transact: verb (used with object)

1.to carry on or conduct (business, negotiations, activities, etc.) to a conclusion or settlement. Synonyms: enact, conclude, settle, manage, negotiate.

verb (used without object)

  1. to carry on or conduct business, negotiations, etc.: He was ordered to transact only with the highest authorities.

So I'm right. Unless you call a hold a conclusion or settlement, and I don't, it's not a transaction.

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Micky

On 05/08/2017 12:32 PM, Micky wrote: ...

Just out of curiosity, which country/countries are you visiting?

Actually it was so long ago had almost forgotten in earlier comment re: time...

_MANY_ years go, employer had subsidiaries/cooperative European ventures in Germany, France, Spain and spent fair amount of time at those locations, particularly Germany. Was somewhat interesting to we 'Murricans to find the beer on tap dispensers in engineering offices for a reactor vendor as we would think of a soda fountain in the break room. :)

While in many ways the German equivalent was much more stringent to deal with, don't think the NRC would have approved if had tried that in the VA office!

The more recent (altho as noted, that's now approach 20 year since which seems impossible to have been already) were all in England/Scotland altho did take side trip to France one year when youngest daughter was HS senior; we took her to Paris as she had been fixated on that since a wee 'un...

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