Need your advice on a good inside automotive tire patch

[Danny D.]

rbowman wrote, on Tue, 08 Dec 2015 20:02:08 -0700:

Just so you understand the etymology, it never started with Bayerische.

It started with Beeser (as in BSA) motorcycle racers.

When BMW started bike racing in the UK, they called 'em "beemers".

Then, when BMW started selling cages in the USA, they called the cages "beemers".

So, the etymology has absolutely nothing to do with Bayerische.

NOTE: It's all in the millions of articles on the same topic, since this is the very first thing any BMW owner learns, even before learning Disa and Vanos and CCV, etc. (which every BMW owner also knows well).

[Danny D.]

clare wrote, on Tue, 08 Dec 2015 18:01:16 -0500:

Heh heh ... you totally misunderstand the Dunning-Kruger effect.

Heh heh ... that's the kind of advice people give who are *not* on the home-repair or auto-tech groups.

I didn't ruin the tire repairing it. You simply *assumed* that because you *wanted* to assume that.

I never said that.

You clearly have an *agenda* and that agenda is apparently to tell us that we can't repair the simplest of things like tires.

Remind me to ask Oren to tell you how we select and buy and wind our own garage door torsion springs some day. Or how we compress the springs on our struts to replace them.

If you want the job done right, you do it yourself. It's not that the pros don't *know* how to do the job right. It's simply that we do it better because we delve into the details and we care about the results.

We're smart that way.

[Danny D.]

Ashton Crusher wrote, on Tue, 08 Dec 2015 17:48:46 -0700:

There's a right way to do things, and a wrong way, and both work. You did it the wrong way, and that's fine. It's your tire, and I won't knock you for how you repaired it. Both ways work.

For reference, here is a great video on the *right* way:

Here's my summary of what that video recommends, along with a bit of research about where I can obtain the tools and chemicals at a good price and in small single-use quantities:

TOOLS:

a. Tire repair awl b. Half-moon scraper c. Carbide bit reamer d. Cone-shaped grinding wheel (

[Danny D.]

UPDATE: My tire went flat and I drove about a mile as it was losing air:

I brought the wheel to Wheel Works, who will repair the puncture using an internal patchplug, and they will mount and balance and rotate the tire with the spare, all for free:

Unfortunately, the tire was ruined by my driving on it:

They told me that they can't fix a tire with the belt showing:

Given the tire is ruined, I decided to experiment with patches:

Here is one type of patchplug:

Here is another type of patchplug:

I bought a few tools, such as the stitching tool & cement:

And, I plan on experimenting to see which type works best:

Here is one of the better videos on how to properly repair a hole:

Here are the tools that this video recommends: a. Tire repair awl b. Half-moon scraper c. Carbide bit reamer d. Cone-shaped grinding wheel (

[Danny D.]

Danny D. wrote, on Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:13:29 +0000:

ooops. typo.

Bimmers === cages

[rbowman]

What can I say. I rode a BMW -- once. I wouldn't mind an old airhead, but then I'd have to spend a lot of time working on said old airhead. Most of the new ones look too much like a raptorsaurus for my taste.

[rbowman]

Never drove the cage version. The closest I came was an Audi. Never buy one of the first efforts of a company known for rear engine, RWD cars to build a front engine, FWD vehicle. They must have gotten much better at it.

[Vic Smith]

Same here. I've done 4 or 5 that way. Kits cost $3-10. They didn't come with a rasp when I was buying them.

[AMuzi]

In Japan both are called "bem bay", Just because different people (and peoples) use different slang doesn't make any of it right or wrong.

[Danny D.]

I think most home users skip a few steps. The question is whether those skipped steps are crucial.

This video shows how to use (what they call) a plugpatch in which they use the following tools and materials:

Tools: A. Half-moon scraper B. Carbide cutter

[Danny D.]

Danny D. wrote, on Wed, 09 Dec 2015 04:37:23 +0000:

Since vulcanizing cement is easy to come by, the problem, it seems, for homeowners, is getting small quantities of the two fluids: a. buffer spray b. inner liner sealer

[AMuzi]

If your area has a Tech route salesman, everything you need is on his truck:

[Ashton Crusher]

I think a lot of these "proper ways" are fine but are often simply driven by lawsuits. Some gas station repaired a flat tire, the guy then has an accident and blames the repair and gets paid "experts" to testify it was all because of that improperly done repair. No evidence that a "proper repair" would have changed anything of course. The same reason some tire places insist the new tires HAVE to go on the rear of the car leaving you with half worn out front tires on your FWD car at the start of snow season.

[clare]

Bayerische.Motoren Werkes or smthing like that - and in Cherman that is somehing like "Bey Emm Vey"

[clare]

I've seen all 3 many tomes - and even 2 tires with the same name and size can be different. There are, for instance, at least 2 totally different tires called Tiger PawTouring tires, available in the same size range - with totally different tread and totally different carcass - and different speed ratings.

Not a good idea to have one on one side and the other on the other side, or one on the front and one on the back of any AWD or dynamic traction control or whatever vehicle.

[clare]

And you just daid both scoots and cages were called Beemers - - - - and many BMW owners don't know ANYTHING about the technology of their cars - all they know is the are "cool" and "better than any Jap Crap or Yank Tank".

(wrong on both counts, by the way)

[clare]

I guess you have to be to drive a B#mmer. Any company that would attach the engine mounts to the block with ALUMINUM BOLTS for crying out loud. Friend's wifes BMW had the engine fall right out of it's mounts when the bolts broke. Dealer cost to remove and replace those bolts? Somrthing like $1600.

It took him almost 4 hours. It's his wifes's car - he hates it but loves his wife. He's been a racer and car guy all his life, as well as an airplane guy (pilot and builder)

[clare]

And to repair perhaps, on a bad year, ONE tire, you are going to stock all that stuff (you will invest a C note pretty quickly) - and 2 years from now when you need it it will be all dried out from sitting in your garage.

Sure you CAN do it - but does it make any sense - and should you - when you can have it repaired free by someone who does it every day and is insured if he screws up??

I fix virtually all my own stuff too - but even I draw limits

[Tony Hwang]

Sounds like you are better than pro(reap pro) Good for you.

[Danny D.]

clare wrote, on Wed, 09 Dec 2015 18:06:06 -0500:

I corrected that typo as soon as I had seen it so you probably didn't see my correction.

Besides, who cares what people who don't own them say?

It's the people who own them who care because they say "my bimmer has been costing me a lot lately" and from that we know it's the cage and not the bike.

Everyone else wouldn't know the difference, nor would they care.

This just goes to show that people argue on the Usenet things that bother *them*, because what a bimmer/beemer is was never the topic here.