National Ammo Day

You mean people don't use those Cadillac pickups to haul manure? :-)

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JoeSpareBedroom
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I'd bust him for peeping. Depending on the state law, that might put him on the sex offender list.

See above.

Reply to
Kurt Ullman

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.

Cindy Hamilton

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Cindy Hamilton

Posit: there's nothing new under the sun.

From that, the question arises:

"How long has it been since the last total meltdown of society?"

From that:

"How likely is a total meltdown of society in my lifetime?"

(especially since society is a lot more civilized than it used to be)

Or, possibly:

"Would I want to survive a total meltdown of society?"

I'm just not worried about it.

Cindy Hamilton ================

I understand, but sometimes*, that's the reason people think they need to have thousands of rounds of ammo.

  • which means "not always"
Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

"Pete C." wrote in news:4b055235$0$6739$ snipped-for-privacy@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

IIRC,Texas DOES "register" a specific pistol to your permit,the one you trained with. (possible to have more than one listed?)

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Jim Yanik

"Pete C." wrote in news:4b0552a8$0$6739$ snipped-for-privacy@unlimited.usenetmonster.com:

well,that "full-auto" NFA gun could also be a SELECT-FIRE gun,and be used semi-auto,3rd burst,or full-auto.You could still enjoy shooting it. and one could be very handy in a meltdown riot situation.Remember the LA Watts riots?

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Jim Yanik

Kurt Ullman wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@70-3-168-216.pools.spcsdns.net:

he'd deserve the police call; any rifle scope can be DISMOUNTED from the rifle and used on it's own. then he's not pointing a rifle at somebody.

Reply to
Jim Yanik

So you are satisfied with a cop keeping you safe?

Reply to
tnom

The first and most important rule for anyone who owns a gun. Never point it at anybody. Loaded or unloaded.

If you pointed at anybody with your unloaded gun, and the person at the end of the barrel feared for their life, or anyone witnessing your pointed gun feared for the targets life, they would be justified in taking you out. No warning needed. Bang your dead.

Reply to
tnom

In other states there exists a "permit" system. The "permit" is required to simply own a firearm. Massachusetts and Illinois are examples. It is not a permit to carry, it is a permit to own.

Reply to
HeyBub

No it does not.

The make, model, serial number, or identifying marks or tattoos of the pistol you use to qualify is not recorded. Anywhere.

The only distinction is whether the pistol with which you qualified is a revolver or an automatic. If you qualify with a revolver, you may carry only a revolver, any revolver. If you qualify with an automatic, you may carry any pistol, or more than one, of any mechanical operation method.

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HeyBub

That is certainly different from Florida. Our "training" is mostly legal in nature and not tied to any particular gun. In fact the license allows you to carry any "concealed" firearm. That could be an M60 if you had a long enough trench coat and the BATF form 4. Personally I would prefer an HK MP5 if I was packing that kind of heat..

Reply to
gfretwell

Okay, oh learned one, tell me where I relayed "nonsense." In Texas, you do not need a PERMIT to purchase a firearm. Some states, such as Illinois, require a citizen to first obtain a FID - Firearm Identification Card before they can purchase a gun/pistol. Some jurisdictions, such as D.C., require you to obtain the pistol permit immediately after buying the gun but before you take actual legal possession. The Texas law you cite has absolutely nothing to do with purchasing a firearm.

We do not have gun "permits" of any kind in Texas. The closest thing is a Concealed Handgun LICENSE. The distinction between a "license" and a "permit" is, on its face, trivial, but the difference is sometimes great. The words are often used interchangeably, but to most there is a difference. A "permit" generally implies some sort of discretion on the part of the issuing agency. A "license" is merely recognition that you've passed the requirements (and paid a fee). You get a LICENSE for your car, but an oversized load requires a PERMIT.

In Texas (and 37 other states), for concealed handguns, if you pass the requirements, the state MUST issue the license. In places like California and New York, which have "permits", the issuing authority can refuse to even talk to the applicant.

That aside, I stand by my bored-housewife statement that no permits of any kind are required in Texas to purchase a firearm or ammunition, nor do we have pistol permits. Of any kind.

I defy you to show me where I'm wrong. I leave open the possibility that you're a harridan trying to pick a fight.

As an aside, had you not insulted me and instead simply said: "Hey, bub, what about this..." I would have responded: "Oops, I didn't make myself clear. The thought I intended to convey was..."

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HeyBub

Oh, but there WAS a crime.

Usually, whether the gun was loaded, or even if there WAS a gun, is irrelevant. It is the apprehension of the situation by the victim, where applicable, that determines the offense. For example, suppose someone hands a note to a teller that says: "Give me the money, I've got a gun." The offense is armed robbery without regard for whether the scrot even HAD a gun.

At a minimum, you've outlined an assault (classic definition: Serious threat to inflict bodily harm coupled with the immediate ability to carry out that threat). That said, how do the cops know the rifle wasn't loaded. How do the cops know whether he was just a peeping Tom? He admitted pointing a rifle at another person. That's enough.

In the case you mentioned, I'd have busted the dude for attempted murder and let the D.A. sort it out. The D.A. would probably let the squint plead to misdemeanor mopery and pay a fine.

Reply to
HeyBub

Those DAs in Texas always overcharge. It would probably be felonious assholery.

Reply to
Kurt Ullman

Correct - that's the answer:

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The idiot with the rifle later made it known that he was applying for a pistol permit. His neighbors (including a friend of mine and his wife, both shooters) contacted the appropriate parties to lodge a complaint. The idiot's permit was denied.

In my opinion, this was an example of the system working for the community. I already know the possible pitfalls. But I guess we're going to debate them now.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

What cops? I haven't seen any cops hanging out in my house all night while I sleep. :-) We can barely get them to drive through my neighborhood once each night. They say they're afraid of the owls.

Reply to
JoeSpareBedroom

It's not tied to any particular gun in Texas either. The only distinction is "revolver" or "automatic." If you qualify with an automatic, you can carry an automatic or a revolver. Qualification with a revolver limits you to that type only. Virtually no one qualifies with a revolver.

Reply to
HeyBub

Good for you. I carry a pistol because I can't carry a cop.

Remember: "When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away!"

Reply to
HeyBub

Told my neighbor, if I hear shots I will bring a pistol. We can sort them out later.

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Oren

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